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The Future of Lordaeron
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Post by
Monday
but how do you stop something that is made to kill the Undead, and can do so in a wide range fashion?
Blight bomb it?
Tirion would be able to kill a large number of Forsaken, I think we both agree on that. However, he's not invincible and would be killed before he had destroyed a sizable portion of the population.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I think you might be exaggerating the Ashbringer's power a bit Adamsm. It doesn't really have an area of effect with its power, but if any undead is hit by it they are going down immediately. It's kind of the Golden Gun of the warcraft world.
Post by
Adamsm
However, he's not invincible and would be killed before he had destroyed a sizable portion of the population.
Only if the Forsaken could get living people to attack him; if it came to actual Forsaken forces, he'd more then likely just send them back their graves.
I think you might be exaggerating the Ashbringer's power a bit Adamsm. It doesn't really have an area of effect with its power, but if any undead is hit by it they are going down immediately. It's kind of the Golden Gun of the warcraft world.
It actually does;
Fall of the HIghlord
: Mograine alone continued to smite thousands of the undead with ease, but was eventually wearied and dropped his blade in fatigue.
Post by
Skreeran
I think that might have been an exaggeration, Adams.
Post by
UrAgahn
Wowpedia is not exactly equivalent to Word of God. And again, it would take one airborne strike, one small vehicle concealed with arcane magic so that the Paladin Sense does not start tingling, to drop a bomb of Blight and take Tirion down.
Post by
Adamsm
I think that might have been an exaggeration, Adams.
Those massive piles of corpses in the comics kind of said otherwise...
Post by
oneforthemoney
I think that might have been an exaggeration, Adams.
Those massive piles of corpses in the comics kind of said otherwise...
No doubt about it. But I don't recall him ever using any AOE styles of attacks, and by the end of it he was very exhausted. Enough so that he couldn't even lift his sword when his son stopped by.
Post by
Monday
I think that might have been an exaggeration, Adams.
Those massive piles of corpses in the comics kind of said otherwise...
No doubt about it. But I don't recall him ever using any AOE styles of attacks, and by the end of it he was very exhausted. Enough so that he couldn't even lift his sword when his son stopped by.
And they were the mindless Scourge. Real Forsaken would flee and fight dirty, such as what Ald suggested.
Again, Blight bomb him from a distance. No kill like overkill.
Post by
Skreeran
Also:
You're talking about the sword.
Let me quote Eligor Dawnbringer: Yet you think that recovering Ashbringer will somehow turn the tide of battle? Let me let you in on a little secret, Commander. The power of the Ashbringer came from the man who would wield it... I was there, Commander. I watched him burn legions of undead in righteous fire before he would even unsheathe the blade. Alas, your grasp on history is... lacking.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Those were the mindless Scourge. Arthas cut through dozens of them at a time without Ashbringer.
And yet his hammer does the same thing effortlessly without him.
Lets not forget, Easter egg or not, the argent crusade has these babies.
Reckoning Bomb
. Which instant kill undead.
Post by
Monday
I'm pretty sure those are non-canon, considering the description...
And yet his hammer does the same thing effortlessly without him.
Have you read the Arthas book? He loses his powers when he goes against the Light. I'd hardly say that it does it effortlessly without him.
Post by
Lordplatypus
The Sacred and the Corrupt
In the part where you get your hands on Light's Vengeance, it just zaps all the undead in there.
Post by
Monday
Seems like a one time thing, however. It WAS close to its former wielder, after all.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Pretty sure arthas just went and left after summoning the giant horde of undead. Plus, as you said, He loses his powers when he goes against the Light.
And we all know that someone in particular wants it for a particular axe for a particular purpose against a particular indivual. (No spoilers)
Post by
Skreeran
The Sacred and the Corrupt
In the part where you get your hands on Light's Vengeance, it just zaps all the undead in there.This actually bothers me, because if you go back to Warcraft 3, Arthas' hammer wasn't anything special. It was just a regular ol'
Verigan's Fist
style hammer. It wasn't stated to be some kind of super holy weapon. And because of that, one can only imagine that the hammer was only uncommonly lethal to undead because Arthas had so much faith, or was so pure, or whatever.
But the thing is, all the way from Mission 1 in Warcraft 3, Arthas was kind of a ^&*!. I never got a "paragon of holiness" vibe from him.
So why then would the hammer ever have that effect?
Post by
UrAgahn
The Sacred and the Corrupt
In the part where you get your hands on Light's Vengeance, it just zaps all the undead in there.This actually bothers me, because if you go back to Warcraft 3, Arthas' hammer wasn't anything special. It was just a regular ol'
Verigan's Fist
style hammer. It wasn't stated to be some kind of super holy weapon. And because of that, one can only imagine that the hammer was only uncommonly lethal to undead because Arthas had so much faith, or was so pure, or whatever.
But the thing is, all the way from Mission 1 in Warcraft 3, Arthas was kind of a ^&*!. I never got a "paragon of holiness" vibe from him.
So why then would the hammer ever have that effect?
Arthas had plenty of anger and obsession there. So much obsession that he adamantly believed he was doing the right thing, saving his people - right until he picked up Frostmourne. So he had a lot of faith, just not the good kind.
Post by
Skreeran
Eh. I still don't really see how that would make his hammer any more special than any other paladin's.
Post by
Monday
And we all know that someone in particular wants it for a particular axe for a particular purpose against a particular indivual.
I fail to see how this is relevant.
Pretty sure arthas just went and left after summoning the giant horde of undead.
Proximity to the hammer after almost 10 years of not being near it caused a retaliatory reaction?
Post by
Lordplatypus
Why would they want the hammer if it wasn't capable of
something
?
Proximity to the hammer after almost 10 years of not being near it caused a retaliatory reaction?
Possibly.
We are pretty much delving into the most guessworkish part of lore, stuff blizz just doesn't explain.
Post by
4dehorde
I'm not really convinced. I still think its a pretty big stretch to call the Forsaken "genocidal". Aside from raising people into undeath and using the Blight, they haven't really done anything other factions aren't guilty of. So they wiped out most of Southshore, which in all fairness was a military staging ground and supply port. I can name a couple of communities annihilated by the Alliance. I'm not arguing that the Forsaken are innocent, they most certainly are not, but they aren't complete monsters either. Individual Forsaken certainly feel empathy and sorrow, and I can some decent enough cases.
As for the Argent Crusade, I don't see the Forsaken ever intentionally making war on them, unless of course they are attacked first. Like I said, the tension is there. The Crusade, right or wrong, is seeing more similarities between the Forsaken and the Scourge, and the Forsaken have reason to feel threatened with the Crusade's recent claims to territory. And of course, they don't like the idea of being "watched" by the Crusade.
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