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Powershifting- huh?
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Post by
Immaterial
Right- couple of things about powershifting have got me confuzzled.
I understand that changing form grants you
x
rage or
y
energy when you shift with
Furor
, at a cost to your mana pool. The cost is reduced by
Natural Shapeshifter
.
So what's so great/skilful/difficult about it? Is there some kind of careful timing that needs to be correct for it to work? I can't see any cooldowns (apart from the global CD) triggered when shifting- have I missed something?
If there's a noob guide to powershifting that's understandable by someone who still counts on his fingers, please point me at it. Ta.
Current build
, in case anyone's interested (lvl 68).
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Post by
niallest
Ideally you would macro your powershifting so that the switch to caster and back to animal form is totally instant. that makes it faster in cat form, and actually possible in bear form. typically bears aren't terribly rage starved unless building threat in an off-tank role, where powershifting becomes very handy.
For kitty form, powershifting is useful if you are on a mob/boss that doesn't bleed (making Rip useless) so you are using FB as your finisher. after the FB, powershift and get the free 40 energy guaranteed.
Real max-dps type feral druids have to powershift to get the most out of the class, that's just how it is.
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Immaterial
Hmm- conflicting views expressed with no flaming or swears? Blimey.
Parrazzell- thanks for confirming what I thought already. Niallest- thanks for giving me food for thought.
Cheers
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Post by
Lightrain
That is cool. I did not know you could health pot powershift while tanking. I'll have to play a macro for that. I knew about the energy powershift. This is easiest with a energy timer. You have to get used to doing it with a latency issue. If you powershift too late, even being within the tick, you have the risk of losing out if it lags too long and doesn't register cat before the energy tick.
Is there an addon that allows you to do this stuff without taking up buttons and writing macros?
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Post by
Erona
I honestly dont think powershifting is worth it. You should already be watching your mangle, rip and energy total throughout a fight, its too hard to time the energy tick right before you powershift, but it can be done. If you can manage watching everything and still dpsing and doing the proper things in the fight, go for it.
The only times I ever powershift is if I am at 2 or so energy somehow and I need to refresh mangle/rip.
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Post by
pelf
I wouldn't classify that as powershifting though. When i said "There is no vaibility in bear form" i was refering to shifting in and out of bear form to take advantage of furor.
Agreed. I think Powershifting refers to what you do in cat form. Using the direct shifting and the lack of a GCD on health pots is just taking advantage of the macro system.
I've never addressed the Ferocious Bite vs Rip debate. Can anyone referance me a topic or explain it to me?
There was one in here not too long ago. Doesn't Nabterayl cover it in one of those stickies?
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Lightrain
You HAVE to use ferocious bite when the boss/mob is immune to bleed. This is when it is necessary. You should always use rip on 5 count(if they aren't immune to bleed), but if you crit 2 talents in a row, your rip should still be ticking and have plenty of time for you to FB, powershift, and get more points for a new Rip stack.
This is the MAX damage output mode. If you crit a lot, you can get away with a FB between rip renews, and I'm sure good feral dps druids can squeeze 2 in. This is also why you powershift, to get enough energy to get those extra point talents in within a shorter time span. If you are fighting a boss, you really don't need to pay too much attention to the boss, and can watch the energy ticker, or get one of those cool oldschool tempo swingers so you don't have to watch it. Good periferal coordination with you watching the screen is also useful. It's called multi tasking. This is ADVANCED play tho. If you aren't there for max dps, and trying to get the most out of your dps, you probably won't powershift. It just gives you that little extra something out of it that aids your dps to try to keep up with the rogues/mages.
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pelf
There's not a whole lot that is bleed immune nowadays.
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Lightrain
OK, I'm not a master of druid, so feel free to correct me if it can't be done. But, I would sacrafice a tick of Rip to include a FB in the rotation if my mana allows it.
This is not about DPE, but strickly DPS.
Opening up, you will keep rake up at all times. This is a 6 second, efficient DPE talent. Always used.
(edit-sorry) You will shred/mangle thru to
5
(edit-sorry) or 4 points and stack a rip on the target. You keep shred'ing/mangle'ing, pull 2 crits
, and refresh the rake less than half way thru your rip bleed.
(edit-sorry) Now you have 5/4 points and you are still shred'ing/mandle'ing for the next 5-7 seconds depending on how quickly you stacked 5 points. Now you are waisting talent, energy acquired, points. Should you keep a rotation of mangle/shred thru the excess time, or should you FB/powershift, rake and continue your rotation? Chances are, you can do this AND keep your bleed stacks if the circumstances allow it. This is a learned process tho. You have to crit thru a
rake/mangle
(edit-sorry) shred/mangle, and pick up another point in the span of this 4 seconds or you probably won't be able to pull it off without losing a tick or 2 from your 5/4 point rip rotation.
This may not actually be possible. But try it out. You will probably have to know when it will work, and when it won't work. It won't work on every rotation between a renewed rip, but if you get a crit spree, and recognize the opportunity, you can do it. You will possibly also have to do a multiple split on the powershifting to be able to actually use this. Working on a standard 2 second timer, it won't work at all. If you can powershift, and get a talent thru faster, it may be worth it when you are doing a max dps span with trinkets and such(like say, stage 2 on prince for example) when the most dps is the best, reguardless of the price.
I'm not saying this is mana efficient, but it may be something to try out and look into. Maybe some skilled druids can try it out and see if it IS possible or not.
This is just theory, and not necessarily actually possible. I will try it on paper to see if it works at all with some lucky crits and powershifting. As I said, it would be a very advanced way to put out an extra finishing move between rips. Improving your dps, but not improving your DPE.
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