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Just because we're warriors, doesn't mean we need to be Tanks
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Post by
StormBlade
Am I the only one tired of people giving me lip because I'm not a Tank and I don't have my prot spec at a high level? For example, a friend of mine invites me and a couple other people to do a run through a dungeon, while we're going through (with no problems mind you) one of the other party members starts giving me a hard time because I don't have a sheild and also gives my friend a hard time for inviting a warrior that isn't a Tank. Now don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Tanks, I just don't wanna be one ( I feel useless if and when I'm trying to lvl by myself.) Anyway, does anyone else agree with me here? I mean, that's the greatness of this game, to make the character the way YOU want, not other people expect.
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Post by
silverd
I feel you guys. Ironically, there are actually other viable tank classes now and warriors can do excellent DPS with the right gear and build, but I guess some people are still living in the past.
Post by
Zalambar
There's nothing wrong with being an arms or fury specced warrior at a high level. However I think it is reasonable to expect you to be able to take advantage of one of your class' major strengths if that is what the group needs.
If you play a class that can heal I expect you to do so when the group need extra healing to survive a fight. If you play a class that can crowd control then I expect you to do so when that is needed. If you play a class that can tank then I expect you to do so when the group needs an extra tank.
I won't even say you should be able to main tank a normal mode instance your level (although that is certainly possible as arms or fury) but you should at least be able to pull out a shield, switch to defensive stance, and control a single target when a fight calls for an off tank. Even if you can get away with "tanking" as a dual wielding berserker you should be prepared to do it right if needed, it is not fair to ask a healer to cover for you being lazy.
I can't comment on the specifics of your group and if you were doing fine then there's no reason to complain.
Post by
Sakkura
This is why i'm leveling something else. I tanked a few instances and really didn't enjoy it and all i get everytime I seek for an instance is loldps warrior when I send the person LFM DPS a tell for an invite.
I am geared for Tier 5 content, I sent atleast 4 tells out to people LF a DPS the other day for heroric's and all i got was lolDPS war everytime.
The problem is that heroics require CC to be easy. DPS warriors have no real CC, and thus are among the least useful specs. No matter how good DPS they do.
Post by
Knightspectre
I'm curious about that. I have a level 21 warrior who's untalented, waiting to be molded.. but my main is level 67 ..never had a guild, never felt I needed one. I enjoy the game just fine and commonly I'm with friends or PuGs. Is a 39/5/13 HYBRID (as I am) even possible to keep, or are the days of Arms-who-can-pass-as-tanks beyond me? For the record, I'm a darn good tank when I need to be.
Post by
Zalambar
A hybrid build should be able to tank any normal mode instance without any real trouble assuming you have some actual tanking plate to wear and the Tactical Mastery talent for extra threat generation.
That same build should do well in many heroics but depending on your group, how far you specced into protection, and the instance you are running you may find yourself taking a bit too much damage for your healers to keep up with.
I used a hybrid build myself to off tank Karazhan where many encounters call for two tanks but a second tank is wasted in others. You should be able to do pretty well as you can generate enough threat and avoid enough damage to tank reasonably and you are far more useful as a damage dealer than a full protection warrior trying to do the same.
While it's true that a warrior has no CC they do have the advantage of being able to tank a mob instead. Something you should be able to use as an alternative in many situations.
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Post by
Kimi3013
...one of the other party members starts giving me a hard time because I don't have a sheild...
With good reason in my eyes. As a DPS warrior you still use plate armour and can carry a shield, meaning that if the tank goes down you can (and should) take over tanking job to try and keep people alive.
As people have said, a DPS warrior without a shield in his bag is totally useless other than doing damage. A mage can sheep and do damage, rogue can sap and do damage, a shaman can heal, drop totems and do damage and a hunter traps and does damage. Far more than you can do, you're offering no one else. So given the option I'd never take you in a 5-man when there are other classes to pick from.
Post by
StormBlade
With good reason in my eyes. As a DPS warrior you still use plate armour and can carry a shield, meaning that if the tank goes down you can (and should) take over tanking job to try and keep people alive.
As people have said, a DPS warrior without a shield in his bag is totally useless other than doing damage. A mage can sheep and do damage, rogue can sap and do damage, a shaman can heal, drop totems and do damage and a hunter traps and does damage. Far more than you can do, you're offering no one else. So given the option I'd never take you in a 5-man when there are other classes to pick from.
First of all let me clarify, I should have said "I didn't have a shield equipped" I ALWAYS have a shield in my bag and equip plate armor because I AM prepared to do what I need to do. Also I'd like to add, great! I wouldn't want to be in a 5 man party with you anyway. . .
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Post by
Knightspectre
This thread shouldn't "bother" anyone. The question is are you the kind of person who's going to learn and/or educate with this board, or just down someone.
Personally until about level 25, I doubt I knew my role. I was lucky enough to roll along with a few people willing to give me advice without being absolute snobs.. and these forums helped massively.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bronzebeard&n=Spector
While I won't lie and say my build is 'perfect'..then again, noone can.. I will say that I LOVE my adaptability as a hybrid right now. As others have said, I can dish out damage with the best of them.. after all, I'm arms. Big swords are my friends. HOWEVER, at all times I keep my trusty one-hander and shield with me, along with some gear that I macro-swap and plenty of bandages. Being a warrior means being adapatable, at least to me. Do I hate it when people assume I can tank? Absolutely.. but more importantly, I LOVE when others recognize that should all else fail, I've got their backs. Plus, I do tank hella well - I believe that's genuine.
The best warriors are the ones ready for anything and willing to do anything.
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Post by
axhed
spend a week specced as prot and tanking pugs, and the next week instead of getting 5 'loldps' replies, you'll get 5 invitations to tank.
there's always a shortage of heals and tanks... when people play a healing or tanking class but only want to dps, i have to laugh when they whine about not getting groups.
Post by
StormBlade
After doing some more reading on the subject, I think I might try to make a hybrid, the fact of the matter is that I have always been told that when I make a character I should focus on only one spec, otherwise you'll just end up with a character that'll always loose to other players. I'm still tired of people always assurming that I am ONLY good for tanking, (especially since at the moment my char is a DPS warrior), but I guess I can live with the stereotype. Is there anyone that can comment on this and prove that if I make an Arms and Prot warrio, I won't be completely stomped when in the battlegrounds? If so, any tips for making a great Hyrbrid?
Post by
Sakkura
Well, I grinded the honor for my s2 shield as pure prot spec. Wasn't that great of an experience, but maybe that's because I'm not much of a PvPer.
Post by
Uricidea
This whole phenomenon is based on pandering to un-imaginative people. Once they read about, or see a strategy 1st hand, that's the only way they want to approach it. I know plenty of Hunters, Rogues and what not afk'ing waiting for groups. There are tons of them. Once you get into these classes the snobs "Lolblues" you to death. It's always something.
Warriors can certainly CC, like mentioned above, it's called off Tanking. Get right with SSO and you can have a have a nice sword and shield combo, with a neck to boot. It isn;t like you have to have to compete for aggro, you just hold them until the kill order gets there.
Look for and stick with people who can adapt. Leave those that need to fit the "Cookie-cutters" to them selves. I just kept pounding along until I found a group. They see that I can fill many roles, and can throw out respectable DPS as well (I've topped 1k dps on Kara bosses, I average just under 700 now). Keep at it and stick to your guns, but learn to tank, it's part of the job.
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Post by
Zalambar
When people go to grap a warrior off of the LFG they assume tank.
They shouldn't, there's a comment field in the LFG tool for a reason. If you play a class which can assume multiple roles it might be a good idea to list your preferred spec there. Then again I keep finding people who can't bother to tell the difference between the normal and heroic mode LFG settings so maybe there's no hope.
After doing some more reading on the subject, I think I might try to make a hybrid, the fact of the matter is that I have always been told that when I make a character I should focus on only one spec, otherwise you'll just end up with a character that'll always loose to other players.
There's a certain amount of truth to that statement so you want to understand it in context.
A hybrid build will almost always be worse in a given role than a character dedicated to that role. That's a problem for the hybrid if you are in a group where you will never switch roles as you cannot benefit from any of the talents spent in your secondary tree. For example during a raid most players will be asked to perform in a single role the entire time and therefore want to maximize their performance in that role.
Provided you are playing in a way which really allows you to switch roles then a hybrid spec may work well for you. This could be in a group which might want to adjust the balance of tanking/dps or it could be that you alternate between a group and solo role and find that a hybrid build is good enough in both cases.
Be aware though that you may have some trouble if there's competition for a spot in a group. If the group just need a damage dealer then a full fury specced warrior is more attractive than a hybrid and similarly a full protection warrior looks like a more attractive tank.
Post by
Aarpia
As a tank, I'm always picky with groups. I usually just ignore tells for heroics when they don't have any CC. The other day someone asked me to tank Heroic Slave pens with a DPS warrior, 2 Shammies, and a Ret Pally. I promptly declined.
Prot pally > you.
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