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Just because we're warriors, doesn't mean we need to be Tanks
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Sakkura
The problem is that heroics require CC to be easy. DPS warriors have no real CC, and thus are among the least useful specs. No matter how good DPS they do.
you dont call an off tank cc?
we're walking cc that hurts too...
An offtank takes damage, a sheeping mage doesn't. Also, the sheeping mage can do a heck of a lot more DPS than the offtanking warrior - and on the main target as well, meaning mobs die faster.
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icritmypants
The problem is that heroics require CC to be easy. DPS warriors have no real CC, and thus are among the least useful specs. No matter how good DPS they do.
So your saying that feral/balance druids, locks, all but holy priests and mages are usless if theres nothing they can CC in that dungen? cause thats what it sounds like to me.
EDIT: forgot shammies
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Sakkura
So your saying that feral/balance druids, locks, all but holy priests and mages are usless if theres nothing they can CC in that dungen? cause thats what it sounds like to me.
Any DPS spec that lacks CC is a potential liability in a heroic. No matter whether it's a mage, warlock, warrior, shaman or whatever. Having more DPS (or even utility to some extent) matters a lot less than having more CC. Healers are rarely relied upon to perform CC, so it matters a lot less there.
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Frederic
A rogue can do nothing but die or dissapear if someone else dies.
I've seen a rogue tank Gruul the Dragonkiller for ~6 seconds after he got done one-shotting me and the tank with 17k health.
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Sakkura
In fact about every class suffers from this.
About no classes without cc in heroics:
in general this utter crap. You don't need max cc in most heroics.
It is just lazyness of the tank/group
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Easy to say for an overgeared prot paladin...
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warhead0
i get this all the time, peopel will ask me wether im tank, i say no im DPS
they will then ask me wether i have a sword and sheild and i say yes i do but im not tank specced
they tell em that that is all i need to tank, but i tell them that i am not tank spec, adn that i will be the worst tank you have ever seen
no one ever listens then people get %^&*ty at me.. but i do tell them i warned them
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Aedalas
Find a good prot paladin.
Wrong
forum
, but thanks for playing.
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Sakkura
Why did i know someone was gonna make that reward...
Well when TBC came out, i've done heroics and raided as boomkin. (yeah another of those classes with any reliable CC).
Karahzan wasn't a joke , people did heroics in blues (not S2 wellfare epics) and even then warriors and druids didnt need max cc groups.
Nowadays the average gear level is way higher, most instances are nerfed and still people think that they need max cc...
It is not possible for a blue geared warrior to tank heroic shattered halls properly without CC. You can finish the place, but there will be more chaos (or slooower DPS) than you'd like. But of course, an easymode paladin might not understand that.
Personally, I was exalted with the violet eye in early february 2007, so I know how heroics and raids were right at the beginning of TBC.
The reason people require as much or more CC now is that the people running heroics are dumber, less skilled players. Those who were running them 1½ years ago now often have their mains in BT or SWP, and often their alts as well, and have no reason to go back to heroics. Least of all with pugs.
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