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Why do people expect to roll for shards?
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Post by
dumbledore12
thing is why would a druid or a clothie roll on a gun or plate need? ehh? you said that urself so dont jump down my throat about what i typed.
Post by
ocping
To the OP:
Erm, so you're an enchanter. You roll greed and win the blue and DE it for yourself. That's fine by me.
But if a party member requests that you wait for others to roll and if none of them needs it, then you will need on it to DE and roll for the shard, I don't see ANY reason you'd refuse this unless you're a total prick.
Post by
balu0
oh my oh my what a greedy bunch...
If you can DE, ffs DE the stuff than roll on the shard ! , you have EXACTLY the same chance to get a shard as if you keep quite and greed on the item itself...
If someone ask me to use my trade skill for him, I'll do it... for free... if it is something hard to get , like a raid drop recipe I expect some tip ...
BUT COME ONE, making a fuss about DE ? not telling the party that you are DE and let them vendor blues because you are too greedy (and stupid by the way)?
I find a person like this in my group ever its an automatic kick/ignore..
what a greedy bunch...
If you can DE, ffs DE the stuff than roll on the shard ! , you have EXACTLY the same chance to get a shard as if you keep quite and greed on the item itself... (you will just #$%^ of the party if they find out) IS IT THAT HARD TO FIGURE THIS OUT ?
Post by
MrFredII
Well its really pretty simple. You wouldn't be in the instance unless you were in a group. You wouldn't have the opportunity to roll on the item if you weren't in the instance. The ability to generate shards for your party members is a reason to group with you. As an alchemist I need to level my alchemy. I generally offer my pots to party members for free, after all I need to level anyway and it makes me a more desirable group member.
Are you obligated to shard for party members? - No of course not. However when we group for an instance we always ask if anyone is an enchanter. Then we ask if they are willing to DE for the party. If the enchanter reveals himself/herself and is unwilling to DE for the party, that is their right and we may or may not include them in the group. However you can bet that we will look for someone else next time. If the enchanter disavows their profession and we discover that, we'll kick them and find someone else.
Non enchanters need enchanting mats too. We have no other way to get them than to find an enchanter to disenchant our BoEs or to arrange for DEing BoPs in a party.
Post by
justinc
Because why should you just be allowed the blues because you can DE them, when people can all roll on them and vendor what they win?
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Post by
Bonemane
I kinda agree there is more need for a enchanter to get the shards now, but to say, either i get the shard or the item doesn't get sharded, which is basically what you are saying is abit selfish. The group doesn't really know you, so if they give you the shards they don't benefit. But if the blue doesn't get sharded in the end its a lose lose situation for everyone. Honestly, rolling on the shard is the best option, think about it, in the end some enchanter is going to use the shard anyway, think of how many times you have given someone an enchantment on condition they had the mats. If all enchanters stopped sharding for people it would just end up with less shards being around for all enchanters.
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Post by
Elamdri
I think what it boils down to is this.
If we're all in an instance, everyone is assumed to be putting forth equal effort towards acquiring loot. Therefore, if loot drops, everyone has an equal chance of rolling on it. Now, sometimes it happens to be that loot will drop that no one can use. Therefore, standard procedure states that everyone rolls Greed in order to sell the loot to make profit.
However, enchanters occupy an interesting position in wow, in that they have the ability to take loot, which always has a fixed price to vendors, and turn it into something that ends up selling for much more than it would otherwise.
In that instance, the enchanter is merely serving to maximize the overall profit of the group. They do this, with the expectation that they also will have the chance to roll on the shard, thus increasing their own wealth.
Lets say that eventually Blizzard gave Blacksmiths, Leatherworkers, and Tailors the ability to disassemble gear that fits their profession into high end raw materials. If that was the case, then when the plate loot drops, the party decides no one needs it. At that point, everyone asks if there is an enchanter in the group. If not, then everyone asks if there is a blacksmith, at which point the Blacksmith raises their hands, takes the loot and smelts it down into like Titansteel or something, I dunno.
Do you see how that scenario is exactly the same. All that is being done is processing the loot in a way that benefits the party as a whole, because it maximizes our chance for profit. I'm afraid that if you're not interested in maximizing the party, then I don't want to run with you, because you're not concerned with anyone but yourself and your own benefit.
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Post by
Trecman
I don't have an Enchanter, but if I did, the shards (needed/rolled items) would be mine.... How else is the enchanter suppose to get items to dis-enchant while in raids/groups? Seems only right that Enchanters should be able to "need" items, as needed... However as always, there will be those whom abuse others generosity... The key is to play with people you trust and enjoy playing with... And if you don't know the peeps in your party make it clear from the start... that everyone must ROLL - "Greed" - and whom ever wins the item, WINS IT... End of story. Enjoy :)
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Post by
Vasile
Seems to me a bit strange, but isn't the usual rolling for a shard just as fair as greeding for an unwanted item, shard-rolling only bringing the value of the bop blue up through sharding it?
I mean, you only just skip the sharding step by greeding the item firsthand. And if the OP thinks he's better off not saying he's an Enchanter, then I think it's a selfish way to act. You stand the same chances of getting a blue you'd shard, but the others just lose the opportunity to have a shard out of a blue bop item.
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