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Will the "OP" classes please stand up.
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goshadstep2lose
Sigh,
The old faithful 'L2P' comes out when players don't have an answer.
Who's QQ? I just call OP bull$%^& when i see it.
I'm confused now, you act as if you are able to defend your QQ (and it is QQ dont kid yourself, it wont work on anyone here) but refuse to respond to my arguments in each thread that I encounter you
If you are going to make such retarded claims why continue to post here if you dont defend them when they are called into question?
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goshadstep2lose
I don't respond because it would take more effort than i can be bothered to make - ALL of the arguments have been made on Blizzards own forums to death. please link one thread where the QQ won the argument, these are argued to death on the forums because sometimes a young lock will get ballzy and start the "NERF ROGUES NOW" thread, the lock is never higher than 1800, and imo below 1500
they dont understand how to fight rogues
People make the posts on here, MMO champion, and Blizzards own webby and yet very little is done. people still make "nerf lock posts" that doesnt mean it needs to happen
Many many times; I indeed have contributed and even commenced a thread about the rogue problem. I did it 7 or 8 months ago when i just got sick to death of having my ass handed to me. so what is your purpose here?
From the rest of the pvp population, especially the casters, i got support ranging from the ultra fed up and sick of this class to the broad, 'yea they need a nurf' kind. From rogues, I generally got abuse, the L2P, 'you're a nab' unintelligent, 'no we're not' comments. Funnily enough i did get one rogue say yes you're completely right LOL. anecdotal crap is anecdotal
the only hard evidence to who is op or not that anyone has brought forward is
http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/all/all/all/all/all
, since what you say contests that evidence I reserve the right to call "BS"
Sure its a 'QQ', but a completely valid complaint. have you been in a battleground recently? like me, every day? lets see give me an armory link
I have NOTHING,
nothing
to prove to you. well yea, unless you want everyone to completely disregaurd what you say, you do
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However in stealth, the rogue gets to bandage, or take a HS or pot without fear of taking any damage unless i get lucky with the AOE.
Ands then he can start the fight all over again.
You can't do any of those things without breaking stealth, and only a slow mage wouldn't take advantage of a rogue standing there healing up.
The class I have the most problems with are paladins. Good frost mages are probably next. While I can usually get the opener on them, and get their health bar pretty far down, once the stuns have worn off, I find myself frozen quite a bit. If my trinket and CoS is on cooldown, a mage can pretty much kill me with ease.
Plus, with all the talents that improve the effects of chill talents, Shattered Barrier, being able to pull your water ele out for even more frosty action, etc, the frost mage's toolbox is full of things to use against a rogue to keep him/her from getting up close and personal. If we do, then you can freeze up and blink away, then frost nova us again.
And you complain about premeditation, but it's on a 10 minute timer. You have cold snap, which is on a 8 min base timer, with the possibility to reduce that with talents.
I'm not sure why you have such a hard time against rogues. I find mages to be challenging, yet with the possibility to win. The chances of that happening really depend on the mage's skill, as a skilled frost mage is pretty hard for me to walk away from alive.
Now, if you were a warlock, then I'd agree, you'd pretty much be rogue fodder, but it sounds like warlocks in general need buffing all around. (I can't feel too sorry for them, because I remember when I'd just run the other way 1 on 1 with my mage pre BC hehe)
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Emberlock
Ret palas were too OP since 3.0.2 and now they are just OP, the one who says ret isnt OP now is prob playing a ret paly and doesnt want to see nerf bat incoming his way, period.
Says the warlock, obviously you haven't been watching arena statistics which clearly states ret paladins AREN'T OP. They're not highly represented.
So ret paladin is telling me ret paladins AREN'T OP.
as i said the one who says ret isnt OP now is prob playing a ret paly and doesnt want to see nerf bat incoming his way, period.
DSKBfoeva u realise that over 50% of your comments on wowhead are purged?
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goshadstep2lose
Sigh,
I really really can't be arsed to repeat SO much of whats been said before, but IM gonna give you three very simple arguments that i think even you cannot say 'L2P'. did i tell you to "l2p"? please stop retreating to that defense mechanism, its not working and starting to get pretty obnoxious
1) Stealth, Simply this ability is utterly game changing. I approach a rogue on the BG, any BG and in a 1 on 1 situation, he vanishes. So to make thjis really simple for you, I CAN NOT SEE HIM. Im gonna repeat that so it really really clear for you. please dont make me
repeat
myself againeither
1) move on
or
2) if you decide to accually try to be good one day instead of immediatly sticking your thumb in your mouth and crying "OP" you could put your pet on aggressive and find him,
you also have some aoe do you not?
I CANNOT SEE THIS ROGUE. he can see me. So, he can choose to attack me at a moment HE's chooses, or can hang and wait till im fighting someone else and join the fight when im on 1/2 health or get a free crit if im rec'ing.
Are you getting the picture? anyone can ride up while you are at 50% hp and you are just as unlikely to win
regaurdless of class
, furthermore ganking =/= pvp and therefore shouldnt be considered when handing out nerfs
So, any rogue thats remotley any good is not gonna pick with a fight with a hard hiting retri, dk or warrior when the softer target is avaliable, like a lock, mage, shammy or priest. You get to pick your fights. You get to control where and when you enter combat.
Control is everything
have you ever been in an arena?
2) Continuing in this vein - exactly what counters do I have for stun lock>? I have a trinket, or i have 'every man for himself' human racial'
So players say don't trinket out of the stun. Given the armour penetration on melee items and the insane burst damage that melee classes can do and rogues always have done not trinketing out of the stun means as a clothie I'm dead. And Im dead in about 6 to 8 seconds. your dumbass is showing, armor pen isn't a static value, its converted to a % now so it has no more effect on you than Joe the prot war
So, I trinket. What do i then when the rogue re-stuns me? thank you for this- it makes my life alot easier- you automatically lose this argument
if you trinket the first stun (cs) then you dont deserve to beat a rogue because of your lack of understanding of the class
im dead, in about 6-8 seconds. stop pulling numbers out your a$$ please
If he blinds me it gives him time to vanish, stealth or get behind me to do maximum damage. lol do you not have a pet?
Or he vanishes? as a mage i run round and desparatley AOE trying to find him are you seriously going to try and QQ mage vs rogue? any mage who knows what hes doing will beat a rogue, since he counters him (also any mage who knows what hes doing is frost not arcane)
drop frost nova - immediatley putting it on a 20s CD, losing its life saving abilities if he does jump out of stealth. burning a cd when you arnt even sure the rogue is nearby? jesus dude you are making this
too easy
However in stealth, the rogue gets to bandage, or take a HS or pot without fear of taking any damage unless i get lucky with the AOE. see above comment, its clearly obvious that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, as all those things break stealth
Ands then he can start the fight all over again. See but now since he has burnt his cooldowns he becomes 10x easier to kite, something I am sure you cant do
Point 1)
Pop preparation, repeat. How many other classes can reset their CDs THAT quickly.
Are you getting the picture? mages and hunters
3) Poisons. In one go in a WSG I played this evening, a rogue applied a movement slowing poison, a casting slowing poison and a damage poison. Very nasty, very effective. Good for him, crap for me. counter is a counter is a counter
Now Im totally reliant on having these poisons cleansed, or having my ice block on CD to have ANY counter for this. No other class gets these abilities, Druids get stealth, arcane mages get to slow, but only one target at a time.
So this rogue is moving much faster than me. Being able to move quicker than me gives him control. such fail, first off from what little sense i got out of that statement, I saw you QQing about crip poison because its a snare... Honestly? almost every class has a spammable snare, and every class that needs to has some ability to get away from a melee, just because you are too dumb to utilize these abilitys doesnt mean that the class you are QQing about needs a nerf
And 'Anacdotal crap' - well, my observations reflect pvp over some years on multiple classes. I already called you out on this in another thread, the situation with s5 exactly mirrors the situation with season 1, it isnt new and if you had been playing for just 2 years, then you would be aware of it
dont be so quick to lie, its pretty easy to tell when you are
Try reading Blizzards own forums? all im doing is offering my direct observation and reflecting the experience
so many
other players? I guess we're all wrong - we've got it dreadfully wrong and in fact we just need to L2P. what does this have to do with anything? there is an active QQ thread about every class in game- there
always
is
This design is a huge, huge flaw within pvp, and it always has been. Why do you think up until the creation of DKs every kid in the game had a rogue twink? or alt? Ezy mode ;-) OP rogues in the 19 bracket =/= OP rogues in the 70s
you never responded to my evidence (something you cant seeem to bring forward)
If the #3 class is OP, why is their arena representation #6?
edit: btw
the truth hurts doesn't it?
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I have to LoL at the mage QQing about the rogues. Get some resil and HP? Maybe get a partner that will help you survive longer? I'm starting to think all you do is BG grind and never do arena.
For rogues, since pretty much EVERY class can't take an opener routine anymore-
Use your cooldowns, and use them WISELY. Especially when you are squishy. And for the love of every sense of brain power everyone has ever put into WoW and reading forums, LEARN THEIR COOLDOWNS AS WELL! Learn what they look like, learn to keep track of what the hell they used. Learn to tell the difference between specs as well. If he's a mut rogue, you should never lose unless you seriously let him hump your arse. If he's Sub, then you actually have a fight. YOU ARE A KITING CLASS! L2KITE!
As for locks, I agree, the new squishiness of the warlocks has made me happy. No more drain tanking for 2 minutes. You, being a squishy, actually have to L2Kite as well. Yes, KITE. You, like most casters, wear cloth. CLOTH! Not mail, not plate, cloth. You no longer take hits like a prot warrior. GTFOver it. Learn your class. Hmmmm, if I can run in one direction, and cast in another direction, and just keep doing it, eventually something will die right? If I keep running, I shouldn't be the one doing the dieing amirite? You have 4 or 5 cc tools at least. Learn to use them. Luckily, locks are no longer tanks, and they like to QQ about it instead of learn new tactics and ways of killing stuff.
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Luckily for me, I play durable classes(druid/paladin). I like getting in your face and /bonk you to death because it's really funny. If you can't learn to kite, learn to play another class that requires that you be the chaser, and see if you can do good with that. Otherwise, if you don't want to spend the time, GO PVE and nuke everything to your hearts content.
QQ about PVP is like eating a cookie. I love it, but everyone looks at me like I just killed someone. Oh wait, I did, and ate the cookie on your corpse. =)
If you want to cry about the rogue, remember, if you learn to outlast his CD's, you can kill him in what, 2 hits? This would be called "the coward that p33'd himself when the guy he hit raised his 2 ton bonegrinder." Same with clothies(but leave priests out of this). Sure, you can nuke really well, but if you let a melee within 10 yards, you are seriously asking for it.
Paladins are OP for one reason, and one reason alone. They remove debuffs. Almost every debuff in the game(and every debuff on themselves once per round). That's it.
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