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When did 'Tip' stop meaning tip?
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120603
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Post by
Ziur
That's not rude.
That's %^&*ing extortion, jack ass.
actually, what's closer to extortion, is asking for me to craft an item with a profession i have sunk a lot of resources into so that you can sell it at the auction house. You want your mats magically poofed into something that will sell 3x better at the auction house? ok, cool, pay me and the poofing will happen.
If you don't like it, you don't actually have to do business with me. if you really don't like it, call the GM's on me, and i'll just give your mats back. I will admit that i should have asked the purpose of the crafting first, but my lack of forethought doesn't justify someone's extortive actions.
To be honest, i don't care what you think. Add me to your ignore list, i'll add you to mine. I'll get along perfectly fine without your custom, and i'm not ashamed to have charged someone trying to exploit me. I didn't tell him i'd do the crafting for free, and we had no explicit contract between us. The quote of the TOS itself even stated that it's at blizzard's discretion what is a scam.
Most of the time, i don't resort to holding mats "hostage" for a proper compensation. Most of the time, i don't even give a damn, because i'm in dalaran or wherever already and i might as well craft something.
Extortion:
- Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
- An excessive or exorbitant charge.
- Something extorted.
Stop pretending like you've got any business doing crap like this. Learn to interact with people and you won't have to resort to lying to people and cheating them out of their items to get what you want.
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Post by
Ziur
When did i ever say i lied? Never
When did i cheat him out of his mats or finished product? Never
Maybe you should actually read what i've said, instead of going off your knee-jerk reaction and telling me i'm a horrible person.
Calling it a tip when you're demanding it as a charge is a lie.
Holding the item hostage is cheating him out of his materials.
You already admitted to doing this, and now you're just playing with semantics. The fact is it doesn't matter what you call it, this is not how you should be interacting with people.
I hardly believe you get any repeat business at all unless you only sometimes decide to be rediculous.
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Post by
MikadoGG
I personally don't think it should matter what your intentions are when getting an item crafted, whether you want to use it or sell it. There are acceptable fees for crafting. I do not like calling them "tips" precisely because people think paying is optional. For me, it is not optional. I always pay when I get anything crafted or enchanted outside of my guild and expect others to pay me.
For the most part, I talk about acceptable payment BEFORE I trade mats to someone, and I always tell a potential customer how much I expect to be paid for my service. That gives them the freedom to say "screw you,it's too much, I'm going to get someone else to make it" if they choose not to pay me. I certainly would not hold mats ransom in any case, but I try not to put myself in a situation where I'd need to.
But really in the end I get so little gold from "tips" because I try not to stand around Dalaran very much that it doesn't really matter. It is only a matter of principle to get paid, not a real source of income.
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Ziur
Calling it a tip when you're demanding it as a charge is a lie.
Holding the item hostage is cheating him out of his materials.
You already admitted to doing this, and now you're just playing with semantics. The fact is it doesn't matter what you call it, this is not how you should be interacting with people.
I hardly believe you get any repeat business at all unless you only sometimes decide to be rediculous.
I never called it a tip. maybe you should re-read what i've said, and think more critically with your arguments, instead of just trying to tear me down for turning a situation around on someone who was trying to take advantage of me.
I didn't hold the item hostage, i told him i'd COD it to him instead of waiting because he purported to not have the funds for the fee i charged at the time. I didn't tell him i'd sell the items myself, i didn't ask for a tip, i didn't refer to my charge as a tip, i didn't act !@#$y or snide when he told me he didn't have money to pay for the charge. I told him how it was, and because he was lying about having money, when i COD'd them to him, i got my money in an hour.
You accuse me of playing with semantics, yet you are the one trying to demonize me with definitions of how i acted, and telling me what i did was extortion. Your reading comprehension level is astoundingly low, and i implore you to really read what you've been saying to me, and what i've been saying.
If you think I'm the only one who's looking down on your for the way you've represented yourself, then you should read the last few pages of this thread.
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120603
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Ziur
If you think I'm the only one who's looking down on your for the way you've represented yourself, then you should read the last few pages of this thread.
Yet again you show that you don't actually read my posts. You are blinded by fury, thinking yourself righteous for denouncing me for my evil ways. When in my post did i say you were the sole person of your mindset?
Lol you couldn't be more of a hypocrite. I'm sitting here grinning, not steaming with unbridled RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!
Everyone read your post man. You made a big thing about how you hated it that someone wanted you to craft something for their own purpose and how you decided to hold it hostage because you feel you deserved money even though you never discussed a fee before hand. That's extortion.
Also, I really don't understand how you think somehow that mailing to him with a C.O.D. is not pretty much exactly the same thing as holding it hostage. You were lucky he didn't contact a GM about it, and you know it.
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120603
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Post by
Ziur
blah blah blah
So you admit to being a selfish jack ass?
Look, you obviously don't understand how the business world works. The entire point of a provider is low production costs for a greater profit.
You were willing to craft his items for free, that's freaking amazing for someone in a seller's position. Then when you find out the purpose, you hold his items and try and force a charge out of him. That's utter b.s. and you know it. You're not a contracted producer.
You think you were being exploited? Please grow up a little. Figure out how business works and then maybe you'll actually get some.
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120603
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Ziur
blah blah blah
I like how you have an argument for everything except holding peoples items for ransom. I think it's because you realise you were being rediculous and are a bit ashamed.
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Post by
Baptisten
Just wanna put out my thoughts in this thread.
I'm a Rogue and have full skill in Lockpicking (400).
It took some time to leveling it up, kinda much time for me, due to I have a limited time to spare on this game. I thought great, now I'm done, hope I can make some money, not much, but mabey one repair cost a week or so. People ask in the chat all the time for Rogues to open lockboxes, and the tip they'll give you is exactly zero. One or two times I've got a tip from two nice guys, 20 g for two boxes or so. That makes you kind happy for a while:D
Anyway a couple of weeks ago, one guy asked in the chat: "LF rogue to open
Titanium Lockbox
". I thought, time for a test.
So I said to him: "I can, in dalaran for 20 Gs."
The answer was: "Are you &*!@ing kidding me?" Then the conversation was ended. I dont give a bloody damn if he wants to go around with a locked box, thats his headache, not mine.
So I will ask YOU: If you want a Item to be crafted, a lockbox to be opened, a item to be enchanted etc. Is it to much to ask for a small tip, lets say 20 Gs? When 90% of the players have at least
2000 Gs. I
always
gives a tip, and you get that smiley back and a "thank you very much". That kind of stuff makes my day, all the others "I wont pay 20 Gs to the ones that helps me, I deserve free help" makes me sick.
Please continue this thread, think it interresting.
(Sry for my lousy english.)
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Post by
Ziur
If i don't ask for it, it's a tip. If people refuse to tip me, i charge them.
I don't charge much, but i do it after i've crafted their item so that they can't ask for their mats back and go to someone else.
It might seem rude, but then again these are people that can't tip someone for doing something that they can't.
I can't believe i actually said that (i saw your quote and was wondering why i was being misquoted)... Now i don't actually do that, and i'm surprised i said that. That is a jackass move, and i can see why i'm being targeted.
And if i ever did that i plan to not do that ever again.
Took you long enough.
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