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Skyfire
Because you know everything about all of Laihendi's relationships.
I don't need to. I made the claim that if there wasn't that kind of love in them, which you told me there wasn't, then you hadn't yet had a true relationship. It might bite, but it's the truth.
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ASHelmy
If I know that something is going to happen, that doesn't mean that I did it, or even affected it. If I have the power to change something, that also doesn't mean that I made that thing happen.
That's pretty clever, using the word something which implies a simple action in context to your statement. But it falls apart when you add that the thing you have the power to change is other people's ability to choose. And that the "something" you know is every choice anyone is ever going to make.
Your statement would be true in a simple case such as: You see a pencil rolling towards the edge of the table and you choose to either catch it or let it fall. This works if there is nothing that possibly can change your choice before you make it i.e. God.
BUT it is false when applied to a free will scenario such as: You know that in 10 minutes one of your classmates will choose to catch a pencil that is rolling off a desk, you also have the power to affect their choice and you decide for them to deicde to let it fall. Even if you did nothing to change it you still had the choice to and be cause you had complete control your classmate didn't.
If I know that something is going to happen, and I can change it so it doesn't happen I affected it. If I have the power to change something before it happens I decide whether it happens or not.
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Oh and when I said you change something by observing it that was in relativity to indivisable atomic bodies. It was an example and it fit. If you didn't get it:
You change the outcome of an electron by observing it, forcing it to take a path. You are god and humans are the electrons.
Ok, God choose to allow us to have free will, that still means we have free will!
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ASHelmy
But he doesn't change anything, knowing and letting us doing anyway supports free will. Perhaps I am missing your point, if so please enlighten me (I tend to be stupid sometimes :P).
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TheMediator
As Bokonon says:
God was bored,
God created man,
Man asked-
"What is the pourpose of all this?"
God Replied-
"If everything must have a purpose, then i leave that up to you"
and god left.
According to Bokonon, life is meaningless, but God has given us the freewill to decide the use of all things.
Sounds interesting. I mean, the source of the singularity is kind of vague ATM, so I don't see why there couldn't be a god who just went "Meh, I'm going to create universe", fired things off, and then made a sandwich.
Though a god who didn't do anything except create the universe and then leave gets as much care factor as a god who doesn't exist.
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