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Legalizing marijuana?
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Squishalot
Because I know some that would.
'Some' doesn't mean that the effect isn't going to be offset by all the others you can't speak for.
You're attempting to shift the burden of proof. You said it would lower productivity, I said it doesn't lower mine and if there are people like me, then the result will be the same. I at no point said "productivity will remain exactly the same across the board with no dips whatsoever" which is a claim suitable to your response. Furthermore I doubt you have read most of the studies on the effects of marijuana and question the source of this meta-analysis.
Fair enough, I'll concede I've only read ones which claim no effects, and have issues with their methodologies. Because of my view though, I'm somewhat biased and less likely to find errors in studies criticising the use of marijuana, so I'm not sure that I'm the best person to question them.
Cite your sources. They're going to have to be good ones to convince me that a symptom I'm able to notice when experiencing a come-down from other drugs I'm unable to notice from pot.
Citation.
It's Wikipedia, but my understanding of it comes from psychology textbooks and papers that my girlfriend runs past me every now and then. I can produce a dozen research papers on opponent processing if you really want that badly.
Please explain how you could possibly prove this seeing as pain can not be objectively measured.
It doesn't need to be. Pain is subjective, but if you can demonstrate that a collective group of people will experience pain-sensation movements in the same direction, you can argue that it increases / decreases pain.
Not sure if serious. Do you really think those people are only employed because of pot crime? Don't be silly. Do you really think all that money being redistributed wouldn't help the economy?
I'm trying to understand what you mean, to be honest. Will there be prisoner case workers being laid off if there are less prisoners? Of course there will be. Otherwise, government organisations would hire more people than they do at present.
I'm looking to you to explain why you think that less drug crimes will somehow lead to an improvement in the economy, seeing as that's your point.
I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing here. As this seems to be on the "it would reduce productivity" thread, where's the line at which the government should get involved?
No, I'm saying that some people don't buy marijuana at the moment for fear of getting caught. Not everyone is willing to break the law to smoke it now. There will be an increase in the number of people who use it / usage of it if it's legalised (think lawyers, doctors, company directors, anyone who can't work if they have a drug conviction against their name).
I don't think so Tim. By my argument when not hyperbolised if you smoked nearly every day for a year or so then went cold turkey for 8 months with no side-effects then that means it'd be extremely difficult for someone in the same monetary situation to get addicted.
Couple of grams a day, more if I wake up early or stay awake late.
How much is marijuana? $20 a gram, thereabouts? You get people in broken households spending way more than $40-50 a day on alcohol, gambling, cigarettes and/or other vices.
That being said, it's also a physical tolerance issue. There are those who can drink 12 beers and be able to operate tolerably. There are those who'll be floored after the first 4. Just because you don't suffer any ill effects (be it after going off for a while, or being able to work the next day) doesn't mean that others won't.
Funny you should mention it, remember Super Size Me where someone ate McDonalds for 30 days then compared their health before and after? Someone else modified the idea and did the same thing with pot, it's called Super High Me and it rocks. Surprise surprise he was fine. No health problems at all because of it except for a 3% drop in lung capacity and gaining 11 (I think) lbs.
I'm trying to look up how much he smoked a day, and I can't find anything on it. Do you know?
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Squishalot
The whole movie budget was only $600k, he can't have smoked for that much ;)
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Squishalot
However in the absence of other evidence it's all I have to rely on.
I know, and I have no experience with marijuana usage whatsoever, which is why I rely on research papers and the like.
Evidently I've been unable to communicate my points to you, here's a more eloquent summary: <snip>
So basically, the resources currently being used to police marijuana growing and criminals of marijuana growing can be deployed elsewhere. That doesn't help the economy, it just reallocates it.
That's an interesting point, don't you think it'd be a good thing for those people to be able to get jobs again and get off welfare? Because that's sure to happen to some if pot is legalised on a federal level*.
How many professionals are there who have been struck off for illicit drug usage? I think there are more who'll turn to drug usage if legalised, compared to those who would be allowed back into the workforce. If they're currently on welfare, it's because they haven't gone on to work in other jobs, meaning that they're unlikely to start working again anyway.
I pay £10 (USD$16) for 2.5g. That's about the average I smoke a day.
That's less than a pack of cigarettes. $5k a year isn't really that much, at least, not in Australia, where your dole cheques come out to around 13k a year or thereabouts.
People say I'm wrong but I'm sure size has something to do with it, if I ordered my friends by weed tolerance they'd probably be in height order too and being a very tall guy that may have something to do with it.
Alcohol tolerance is related to size, it wouldn't surprise me that weed tolerance is similar. But realistically, you have to legislate by the lowest common denominator. If there was a drug that was lethal for men under 5"6', despite being perfectly fine for people above that height, you'd have to declare it illegal, as an example.
As a side issue, that's why I think if weed were to be legalised it should still operate as clinics so there would be trained staff to make sure the customer gets the right strength.
See, that's an interesting one. That would still make it illegal to possess (without a license), but not to obtain. I believe that would probably be a good way to deal with it. Having said that, there'd still be huge community uproar over it - have you seen the sort of anti-drug publicity that heroin injecting clinics get?
It's also prone to abuse - you'd need a lot of audit requirements on it.
I don't remember it mentioned, but it looked like a lot :P
Heh, I can imagine. I do think that those sorts of things are a joke though, and nothing more than just entertainment value. There was a good comment by the Maccas CEO about Super Size Me, saying that "if someone ate spaghetti bolognese for every meal for 30 days, you'd get the same result."
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BristolUTD
We need more unbiased research by actual scientists and researchers.
QFT
Post by
mindthegap5
I bought a kilo for £3k
I can bag it up into tens and eighths and quarters and sell for about £6k
£3k PROFITZ!
That is why people sell weed.
Also i'm kinda surprised any aussies take drugs at all, from the high prices I heard when i was over there. I'm surprised anyone can afford. i got offered an E for $18 when i can get them for £1 in england.
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Squishalot
We need more unbiased research by actual scientists and researchers.
Research on what? Health / long-term impacts (or lack thereof), or on the effects of legalising?
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Skreeran
Bumping with
related legislation
.Is that legit?
If so, go Washington! You always have been my favorite state!
We actually have been planning to move there for a while.
I don't particularly expect it to pass, at least not if similar legislation didn't pass in California, but I'm keeping my hopes up.
Post by
Cambo
I smoked weed once daily and snorted cocaine about once a week for about 3 months when I was 13.
Before I started, I was one of the brightest kids in school, and was in accelerate classes for all but one subject. I had a vocabulary and reading age of an adult. I went through the
Hannibal
novel in a weekend.
I stopped just before I entered High School, and I ended up in the lowest class and struggled to get good grades for 3 years.
Stay off the drugs kids.
Post by
Skreeran
I smoked weed once daily and snorted cocaine about once a week for about 3 months when I was 13.
Before I started, I was one of the brightest kids in school, and was in accelerate classes for all but one subject. I had a vocabulary and reading age of an adult. I went through the
Hannibal
novel in a weekend.
I stopped just before I entered High School, and I ended up in the lowest class and struggled to get good grades for 3 years.
Stay off the drugs kids.I got all 90s on my tests, 750s on my reading and writing on the SAT and 600 on the Math, and got into the 97th percentile on the ASVAB.
Goes both ways, kids.
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EluraE
I smoked weed once daily and snorted cocaine about once a week for about 3 months when I was 13.
Before I started, I was one of the brightest kids in school, and was in accelerate classes for all but one subject. I had a vocabulary and reading age of an adult. I went through the
Hannibal
novel in a weekend.
I stopped just before I entered High School, and I ended up in the lowest class and struggled to get good grades for 3 years.
Stay off the drugs kids.I got all 90s on my tests, 750s on my reading and writing on the SAT and 600 on the Math, and got into the 97th percentile on the ASVAB.
Goes both ways, kids.
I think the difference might be that Cambo did coke..
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Monday
I smoked weed once daily and snorted cocaine about once a week for about 3 months when I was 13.
Before I started, I was one of the brightest kids in school, and was in accelerate classes for all but one subject. I had a vocabulary and reading age of an adult. I went through the
Hannibal
novel in a weekend.
I stopped just before I entered High School, and I ended up in the lowest class and struggled to get good grades for 3 years.
Stay off the drugs kids.I got all 90s on my tests, 750s on my reading and writing on the SAT and 600 on the Math, and got into the 97th percentile on the ASVAB.
Goes both ways, kids.
I think the difference might be that Cambo did coke..
That's what I was thinking =P
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