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Lightrain
Lightrain, I have dropped rating because of the silly amount of Ret Paladins lately, I am not worried because I am confident enough in myself that I will still achieve Gladiator this season so you just worry about yourself sunshine.
Open is spot on, nearly every argument you make is invalid which is just further embarassing for yourself. You link all of these abilities such as Evasion/CloS/Trinket, which if I may, all have significant cooldowns, unlike Bear form.
Furthermore you have proven yourself even more stupid than I perhaps first conceived.
"Not letting any caster get off a spell" Now lets get serious. You know that all of the healers/casters in the game have instants right? Let me just provide a short run down
-Riptide
-Renew
-Lifebloom
-Holy Shock
The list goes on, so you see your idea of us simply completely locking a healer out of healing is out of the window.
Shaman/Rogue is an underrepresented combo, sure I could find a DK/Ret/Warrior and play to 2.5k but where is the fun in that? where is the skill in 18k damage in 3 seconds through Judgements and RNG?
I am sure you hate KS/CS but please stop for a minute and think, You have the opportunity to Cyclone three times before Immune, assuming you are a Tauren you then have war stomp, then Bash, Then Maim. You are not really in a position to complain, this is not even mentioning roots, and you cant moan about CloS...I could link all of your forms and simply state that you are immune to any slow through shifting.
Last season was pretty much a joke with Ferals running around in bear with Paladins bursting down Rogues then just shifting and hitting an 8k FB
Quit the long posts, Quit trying to justify it, Quit linking irrelevant resources. You are bitter because the majority of Rogues have actually figured out the only way to survive against you is to sit on you, accept it and attempt to outplay them. (Which I wish you great luck with).
Either way cyu@Gladiator at the end of this season.
P.S. Thanks for replying to the post Open, made good reading as I have been away for a few days.
Instant heals only save them from dieing. It doesn't heal them enough to keep them alive. With kick, Earth shock, CS, KS, Blind, prep, purge, and hex, you should really have no issues making a paladin bubble, removing a priest of his survival, and putting a ton of pressure on a druid, then owning his face.
I also confirmed it last night, when I came up against Playfair twice in arena, and twice he owned me(granted, I was tired, and wasn't playing to my full potential) while I "tanked him in bear form." He even let me heal myself, and the amount of control he has over the situation means he can kill me without a problem.
Again, YOU CAN'T KILL A ROGUE IN BEAR FORM unless he's a noob. A
skilled
rogue can eat thru a bear without issues. Don't kid yourselves. He was at 1/2 hp, and fully bandaged himself, kited me till his cooldowns were up, and defeated me. If you are a rogue and can't defeat a bear, you need to L2Play. Period. Now, If he lets me get an opener on him, and I'm in
cat form
, I will beat him. There is no way I can defeat a rogue in bear who has equal skill. The only reason I can normally defeat a rogue, is because I can FFF him, get away, and restealth. If the rogue doesn't let me restealth before he does, I'm toast. Lets not forget, rogues survive on control. L2Control a bear, and you WILL win every time. Forcing a druid to stay in bear form=win. This applies for ret paladins, DK's, and rogues. Warriors have it tougher, but they also have self healing thru my CC(less cyclone), and if they aren't stupid enough to go Def stance and try to outlast me that way, they win also, but it's much closer, and almost always a win for me(only one arms warrior has been able to defeat me so far when I didn't screw up).
To Open, I sit anywhere from 104-183 ms depending on the day. If you have some tips to speed up my comp I'm more than willing to hear it. =) It's a new comp, and I don't have anything DL'd on it, so I don't know why it's over 100 ms.
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Lightrain
I use vista 64 bit
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Lightrain
Well, I haven't tried those yet, but I did get fios instead of cable, and on the G rated wireless, it had less lagg issues than my N rated router on cable, so I'm thinking it's not my comp....(I never really thought it was my comp actually, there just isn't enough resource use on my comp to warrant it being slow) But I'll try one of those out when I get a chance to go thru and mess with them.
It still doesn't stop others from lagging, and I was standing on top of a holy pally(he started moving, and I was still right on top of him, not in melee range, literally sharing character space cause I wasn't hitting him) and couldn't hit him, so I know it's not always my lagg that makes us lose.
I had 2 really wierd instances last night when 2 maims just disappeared(I'm well over hit cap, and they weren't facing me). They didn't miss or dodge or anything, they just didn't hit anything and went on CD..... =( Both were on priests where my maim is vital to us winning.
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Lightrain
So this thread's gone from talking about how OP rogue's are to how to make your internet connection better?
Lol.
It was never a "ZOMGROGUESARESOOPNERFNERF" noob thread like you say. I can link a whole boat load of times I've said that in this thread, along with the OPENING POST when I said what it was.
It's a QQ about wasting a minute or more of your life fighting a rogue because he has too many cooldowns/stuns/CC, and it doesn't matter if he's leet as hell or has the worst noob gear of all time.
Go eat your Cherios and let the adults talk, mkay?
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Wanderingfox
The issue with rogues is that we have absolutely no survivability outside of those cooldowns. The current incarnation of the rogue class is very much like the old three minute mages. We're incredibly strong against a single opponent every so often, but outside of that we're the squishiest class in the game.
Take for example my rogue... In full hateful, I've got about 800 resilience, and just over 19.5k hp. A mage in similar gear has almost 18k hp and the same resil. Yet that mage has two seperate damage shields, 1-2 immunity shields, and a way to break snares/stuns on a short cd. Rogues have a 3 minute 15 second DODGE (useless against casters, useless against people stacking expertise, procs high-damage abilities from other classes). A 5 second magic cloak, which isn't even immunity. And lastly, vanish, which is completely mitigated by aoe or any sort of dot (and any number of other abilities).
After that, what do we have? Stuns? One requires stealth, the other is on a 20 second cooldown and requires 5 combo points (~100 energy, or 5 seconds of setup time), yet we have NO short cooldown mitigation, no passive ability to resist damage, and absolutely no means to get away from our opponent.
Are we overpowered against a single target with all our cooldowns up? Probably. Are we underpowered for three minutes after that? Most certainly.
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Lightrain
That about sums it up.
I WANT them to be able to take hits, but I DO NOT WANT them to have 60 seconds or more of being a d@#ch bag and not letting me play the game because they are an idiot(which can be accomplished with minimal/no gear in a BG, and you can grind HK's naked in a BG just wandering around stealthed and being annoying to the other team and pickpocketing because you are childish like that(I've seen it many, many times).
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Wanderingfox
That about sums it up.
I WANT them to be able to take hits, but I DO NOT WANT them to have 60 seconds or more of being a d@#ch bag and not letting me play the game because they are an idiot(which can be accomplished with minimal/no gear in a BG, and you can grind HK's naked in a BG just wandering around stealthed and being annoying to the other team and pickpocketing because you are childish like that(I've seen it many, many times).
Believe it or not, but most rogues feel the same way. I HATE the fact that I'm only useful for the first 30 seconds of my arena matches. I can't stand it, but I really only have two options... I can choose not to use the cooldowns and lose, or I can just use what Blizzard has given me until they change how the class plays. Obviously, most rogues choose the second option since the first one isn't fun at all.
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