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BTPNTC: Shamans and Priests
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Haxzor
You don't need BL to beat raids. It helps a ton, but it's not needed
MC is only used in 1 fight. In 1 instance. How about Mage tanks in Gruuls?
Or DKs in EoE
Post by
Billa
Or DKs in EoE
You don't
need
a DK, a boomkin or hunter can do it just as fine, probably some other classes as well.
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Katsudon
You don't need BL to beat raids. It helps a ton, but it's not needed
You can say that about every buff in this game. BL/Hero is hands down the best buff for raids. Should it go to other classes though? I'm not sure; it would be useful in 10 mans where having a shammy isn't guaranteed, but in 25 man, you will almost always have one (and you will try to get one if you don't have one because of BL/Hero, but that just helps your argument to spread it.... y ) With exhaustion being 10 mins long, you only need 1 person able to cast it, so i guess giving it to another class doesn't seem that vital. As for MC, they really just need to add crystals there.
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Sakkura
MC is only used in 1 fight. In 1 instance. How about Mage tanks in Gruuls?
Mage tanking has been used other places than Gruul's lair. For example in the Illidari Council encounter in Black Temple.
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Shamanic
You should want a shaman in the raid anyway even without bloodlust - don't make us even less unique than before, but remember bloodlust is not the only thing a shaman brings to you, certainly I consider my totems fairly raid enhancing too. It is a shame that BoW and mana totem no longer stack but every class should bring something unique to a raid, and duplicating skills is not going to enhance raids, or the game, in any way shape or form. You don't NEED a shaman ever. No boss is undoable without bloodlust, it's a nice boost sure, but so are paladin buffs, druid buffs, mage buffs, a soulstone and so on and so forth. Have a varied raid makeup and you will increase your chances of success, it's pretty simple.
As for raz - yeah, finding 2 priests can be a pain but we have done it with holy before especially if they stack +hit for the mob, & with the addition of dual spec it can only be easier, as you can have people fill multiple positions and just switch a healer for that fight.
Any raid leader should be careful and considerate about the combination of classes he chooses and how can that be a bad thing?
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dumac
blizz statement:
"We want classes to be unique and not share the same abilities"
basically it means that giving the same buff to other classes is not gonna happen. Also Bloodlust is a good spell but it is not essential in a raid. You cna still kill the boss without it.
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Booterang
"Bring the player, not the class" doesnt mean you can disregard raid composition, but it certainly means that every raid shouldn't
require
two priests to complete naxx 25 however. If a raid doesnt bring two shamans or pallys say, they are at a disadvantage due to less totems, pally buffs etc. However if you dont bring two priests you wont finish at all, period. This is definitely against blizzards common design philosophy.
I think that these two spells should be spread to other classes that currently bring very little to raids buffwise, like rogues and warlocks. How about giving rogues a version of bloodlust and warlocks a version of mind control (enslave humanoid?).
Yeah.. lets give bloodlust to rogues, they need even MORE burst damage in arena. It would not be a mistake at all and would not result in rogues killing any class within the span of a stunlock.
The balancing issues that would be caused by your above statement are just mind boggling.
It would also not fit the lore of a rogue at all.
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