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UH Tanking spec and TPS rotation
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Post by
Infleto
I am looking at UH for a tanking spec
I know UH = aoe and frost = ST
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxxZzthIxczg0V0couh:Mpo0mV
For my UH build the rotation for AoE will be,
IT > PS > DnD > pest > SS > SS > BB > BB > SS > SS > BB > pest > SS > SS
use UB as soon as you have the RP, Use IBF when blow 50% health,
ST rotation,
IT > PS > DnD > BS > DC >
SS > SS > BS > BS > DC >
SS > SS > Pest > BS > DC >
SS > SS > BS > BS > DC >
dose Blade barrier proc off death runes when the death rune is used for something other than a blood attack? ex. using IT with a death rune?
When in a rotation do I in need to reapply bone shield?
Post by
Infleto
any help? any at all?
I realy need to know if a Blood rune is made in to a death rune.
Then, that death rune is used in a none blood attack. (SS, PS, IT, or any thing none blood)
Will the Rune proc Blade barrier when it is on CD?
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Post by
Infleto
Thanx for the reply!
Now if i took reaping,
with this spec
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxxZzthcxczgcV0couh:Mpo0mV
Single target rotation would be?
IT > PS > DnD > BS > DC >
SS > SS > SS > DC >
SS > SS > Pest > BS > DC >
SS > SS > SS > DC
which will put out more TPS, this spec or my first one?
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Post by
Infleto
No don't use death and decay on single target unless you are terrible. Also you need to be using rune stike every opportunity, perhaps macro it.
I gess i am just noobish, DnD is what i put down to make sure I keep aggro. I do not see a down side to using it.
Why should a UH tank not use DnD In this rotation on a single target?
IT > PS > DnD > BS > DC >
SS > SS > SS > DC >
SS > SS > Pest > BS > DC >
SS > SS > SS > DC
I do have run strike macroed in with my SS do i need to macro it in with other things as well?
Your spec
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxxZzthcxczgcV0couh:Mpo0mV
isn't great for TPS. You havent taken Vicious Strikes, Ravenous Dead or maxxed out Rage of Rivendare.
Also this might be focused on tps but not taking Magic Suppresion for an unholy tank is a crime.
Here is my newest spec, I have dropped Black Ice and picked up Reaping and Ravenous dead, and maxxed out Rage of Rivendare
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxZzthIxczgcV0coux:oMpMm0
Many points i took are more anti-noob. More spell hit, longer diseases all help when you are under geared and new to both tanking and DKs. I will respec when i get the hang of things.
The big choice I will have when I respec after, I get more hit and skill, is between Vicious and Epidemic.
I have so little crit it is not even funny so Vicious strikes does little for me. Will this change with new gear?
As far as Magic suppression, the guides say not to take it?
Is there a chart or something that will brake down the TPS I will gain from each talent point?
Post by
DerrHans
Im UH tank..
As rotation AoE Trash
#1 DnD + after ~3 secs Death Grip skull > IT > PS > Pest > BB > SS > UB > DC
#2 2xBB > 2xSS > UB > CE / DC
#3 Pest > BB > 2xSS > CE / DC
#4 = #2 > #3 > Repeat
Single Target: Boss
#1 DnD > IT > PS > BS > UB >
ERW
> 2xSS > BS > Pest > Gargoyle > DC
#2 3xSS > UB / DC
#3 2xSS > BS > Pest > UB / DC
#4 = #2 > #3 > Repeat
Using Gargoyle when ever i can use it mid fight (i know he's no building up ur threat)
Bone armor or
AMZ
+ IT when ever u need to recast Bone Armor or need AMZ.
I dont have me RS macro'd cuz i sometimes need 20 runic for IBF / AMS. So i manually add in RS.
Dont forget the
ERW
skill, its very good on getting a big head start on threat with boss fights also it maintain ur RP as it gives 25 when u use it.
As spec i would run
10/10/50+1
with disease glyph u dont use IT. 5/5 Rage of rivendare helps out in expertise and threat and CE is optional.
Post by
Infleto
OK here we go all over again,
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxhZcthcx0zgIc0coux:oMpMm0
You get
-- 1% more damage on frost and shadow
-- 6% more crit and 30% more crit damage
-- ATZ
I get
-- 6% more damage mitigation
-- 30% movement debuff on runners (30% more time to save a dps or healer that pulls aggro)
Is Vicious Strikes really that good.
If it is i will pull 2 points out of Magic Suppression
Post by
chaac
I used this for a bit before switching to frost.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZ0xxZbthIx0zgcV0coux
Also on dropping DnD on a single target is a no because of all the runes required to use it. you could use those runes for more SS.
This is also a good place to look for rotation
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=91382
Post by
DerrHans
OK here we go all over again,
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxhZcthcx0zgIc0coux:oMpMm0
You get
-- 1% more damage on frost and shadow
-- 6% more crit and 30% more crit damage
-- ATZ
I get
-- 6% more damage mitigation
-- 30% movement debuff on runners (30% more time to save a dps or healer that pulls aggro)
Is Vicious Strikes really that good.
If it is i will pull 2 points out of Magic Suppression
II get 4% more Shadow damage if u counting in movement, i dont use frost damage other than the 1st rotation ;)
Imp IT is only good on raids, and chances are very big there's a frost DK around.
In dungeons everything dies to fast for imp IT to be effective.
Its how i see it.
30% slow do u realy need it ?
I'm hoping u get enough threat AoE wise with UH to not need slow to get the mobs back ?
In raids u use 2 tanks so chance is big that the 2nd person on Threat list is the OT on Thrash.
Vicious Strike helps u threat/dps wise on Boss fights 6% crit + 30% crit damage for SS and u use SS a lot.
P.S. Ur build aint bad ofc, its all about own experience/preference while tanking ;)
Also on dropping DnD on a single target is a no because of all the runes required to use it. you could use those runes for more SS.
On a Boss i use DnD, we have
ERW
. So starting With DnD dont has to be a problem with the rune costs.
Post by
Infleto
II get 4% more Shadow damage if u counting in movement, i dont use frost damage other than the 1st rotation ;)
You get 10% from Black Ice
I Get 6% from Black Ice and 3% from Desecration = 9%
so you only get 1% more
30% slow do u realy need it ?
I'm hoping u get enough threat AoE wise with UH to not need slow to get the mobs back ?
Yes, I do. I am a noob! I will mess up my TPS rotation every other pull. That is what noobs do after all.
On a Boss i use DnD, we have
ERW
. So starting With DnD dont has to be a problem with the rune costs.
Good point i will do that.
Also, how do you link url's to text?
Post by
Infleto
Thank you all,
Sorry for helping to full up the forum with another "I want to be a Death Noob Tank" thread.
I will be Tanking with this
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxhZfthcx0zgsc0coux:Mpo0mV
I also need macros to mark targets.
Keybindings >.>
Now I will begin my hunt for pre heroic 5 man gear!
How can I make a "on mouse over" taunt macro?
Any thoughts?
Post by
DerrHans
II get 4% more Shadow damage if u counting in movement, i dont use frost damage other than the 1st rotation ;)
You get 10% from Black Ice
I Get 6% from Black Ice and 3% from Desecration = 9%
so you only get 1% more
Well when ur not standing in Desecration due to movement ur not getting the 3% damage. Thats why i said i got 4% more with
movement
Also, how do you link url's to text?
Type a word like EWR, search the Skill and copy the adres. (
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47568
)
Fully select EWR word and press hyperlink button in the post editor. And paste the skill (
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47568
) adres in. So u now get
EWR
and ofc it works with items :P
About the slow, well mage's loves u when they specced
TTW
. Just try it out in heroics and see if u do need the Slow, i didnt need it when i started HC's as frost. Remember UH has more AoE tools than the other tree's.
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