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Should Cocaine Be Legal?
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Post by
MyTie
TheMediator - No. I'm not talking about help centers at all
Zaputo - I'm speaking about cocaine for the sake of haing a drug to talk about. If I said all drugs, people would say "What about cianide", and I don't want this discussion to be about assisted suicide tax.
Parrazell - Really? Like seriously? Yeah. Did you have any reasoning it wouldn't, or did you just drop by to ask that?
Gore - No, no I don't think we need to read what's going on, I think you need to understand the motivations for an addict and how they think. A drug addict will want the cocaine either way, and they will be more inclined to use it at a party with friends since it's a social stimulant. If the gov't isn't offering to do that, they will find other means of getting it for those settings. You think that the addict just wants to get high alone, in a white room wiith officials watching them? I don't think so.
Your 'laws' are also rather ... ridiculous... so I doubt they would even come close to being implemented; lets remove that from the discussion.
You'd be a fool to think that just allowing them a section of land to smoke cocaine would eliminate the underground market.You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand you say thier motivations are to take it at parties, and on the other hand you say they want it no matter what. I think if you offered cocaine addicts a safe, clean, cheap, legal cocaine they would take it. Here... let me spell out my logic, and you can correct me where I am wrong:
1) Addicts would take the cheap, clean, and legal version of the same drug, instead of the stuff sold by dangerous street dealers. (Addict can get 5 hits for the price of 1, and not get shot or arrested)
2) Dangerous street dealers would then go out of business. Harsh drug laws would be an added bonus. (Also, saying that we should exile street drug dealing thugs is ridiculous? I think that is a good idea. I'm probably not alone.)
3) With street dealers out of business, due to inability to compete, cocaine would not be found casually in party settings, which is where most people get hooked.
Ok... now go back through those three points, and say "No. That one is wrong because..."
Post by
TheMediator
The question of how the addicts are going to pay for the cocaine still remains, and whether or not you limit their access to it.
If you have the tax payers pay for the cocaine, first off there will be huge amounts of QQ, and second there would be no incentive to stop, and if you make the addicts pay for it, they'll do whatever it takes to get the money. If you don't limit their access to the cocaine, they'll steal and pawn their way to as much cocaine as they possibly can, if you do, then they'll go to the street dealers and do the same anyways.
Post by
MyTie
The question of how the addicts are going to pay for the cocaine still remains, and whether or not you limit their access to it.
If you have the tax payers pay for the cocaine, first off there will be huge amounts of QQ, and second there would be no incentive to stop, and if you make the addicts pay for it, they'll do whatever it takes to get the money. If you don't limit their access to the cocaine, they'll steal and pawn their way to as much cocaine as they possibly can, if you do, then they'll go to the street dealers and do the same anyways.
This changes nothing, and wouldn't be changed by legalizing cocaine. This issue would, unfortunately, remain the same. I have made no attempt to resolve it in my proposal. My proposal tackles other issues though.
My proposal also doesn't:
Cure Cancer
Feed the hungry
Make Michael Jackson black again
Fix global warming
Make mosquito bites not itch
An array of other things.
I'm still working on those. As soon as I come up with solutions I will post them here so you all can QQ and spit on those ideas as well, all of course while not coming up with ideas of your own. Why you ask? I'm a glutton for punishment.
Post by
TheMediator
The question of how the addicts are going to pay for the cocaine still remains, and whether or not you limit their access to it.
If you have the tax payers pay for the cocaine, first off there will be huge amounts of QQ, and second there would be no incentive to stop, and if you make the addicts pay for it, they'll do whatever it takes to get the money. If you don't limit their access to the cocaine, they'll steal and pawn their way to as much cocaine as they possibly can, if you do, then they'll go to the street dealers and do the same anyways.
This changes nothing, and wouldn't be changed by legalizing cocaine. This issue would, unfortunately, remain the same. I have made no attempt to resolve it in my proposal. My proposal tackles other issues though.
My proposal also doesn't:
Cure Cancer
Feed the hungry
Make Michael Jackson black again
Fix global warming
Make mosquito bites not itch
An array of other things.
I'm still working on those. As soon as I come up with solutions I will post them here so you all can QQ and spit on those ideas as well, all of course while not coming up with ideas of your own. Why you ask? I'm a glutton for punishment.
You want our ideas? Don't change anything. The current system is fine. Your idea involves far too much work without actually changing much of anything positively. No one has a problem with people being addicted to crack, its what those people do while on crack or to get more crack that's the problem. Putting those people in prison works well enough to keep them away from those who they'd steal or hurt.
Post by
MyTie
The current system is fine.
It works
OH
so well!
Nothing to see here! We like it this way!
Post by
TheMediator
The current system is fine.
It works
OH
so well!
Nothing to see here! We like it this way!
The bad guys aren't just going to give up one way or the other.
Post by
MyTie
The current system is fine.
It works
OH
so well!
Nothing to see here! We like it this way!
The bad guys aren't just going to give up one way or the other.
Take thier income away.
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260787
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Post by
MyTie
Street dealers would not be out of business.
I can't say with 100% certainty that either of us are right or wrong. I don't know if my idea would work. I'm still inclined to think that it would, in the very least, make it harder to make an income off drug dealing, and therefore less appealing to gangs.
It's pretty obvious you and I are not going to find a compromising ideal. So, I don't think I'm going to press the issue further. I do, however, respect your decision to engage in an intellectual debate with me. For that, thanks.
@Hungryshadow - read my origional post.
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Post by
TheMediator
I can't say with 100% certainty that either of us are right or wrong. I don't know if my idea would work. I'm still inclined to think that it would, in the very least, make it harder to make an income off drug dealing, and therefore less appealing to gangs.
Possibly, and at least we have the knowledge you've come a long way, from initially believing that legalizing cocaine is ok, to merely allowing cocaine addicts to get their fix in controlled environments.
Post by
MyTie
at least we have the knowledge you've come a long way, from initially believing that legalizing cocaine is ok, to merely allowing cocaine addicts to get their fix in controlled environments.Alcohol is a regulated, yet legal substance. I believe cocaine should be legal. I did, and I still do. I never ever said it should be unregulated. My stance remains the same.
You're still confused. Either that or you're still instigating.
Post by
TheMediator
Alcohol is hardly regulated. You can alcohol anywhere easily. If you're saying that if cocaine were legal, it should be as easy to acquire as alcohol, you've learned nothing and are dumb.
Now, if you're saying it should be only obtainable and used in controlled environments, that still would never happen, but at least you've made progress.
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Malgayne
Alcohol is hardly regulated. You can alcohol anywhere easily. If you're saying that if cocaine were legal, it should be as easy to acquire as alcohol, you've learned nothing and are dumb.
Now, if you're saying it should be only obtainable and used in controlled environments, that still would never happen, but at least you've made progress.
Careful here. No point in being a jerk.
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