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Sokur
BM is not that bad of DPS anymore. It still falls short of MM & SV but it still puts up good numbers. Also, if there is no Ret Pally in the raid Ferocious Inspiration is a nice 3% damage buff to EVERYONE. On the other hand, 5/5 Endurance Training is a leveling talent, not for raid / heroic builds, so yes, you will gimp your dps by having this. 1 point is often put into it to get 10 points to move down to the third tier.
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izuul
It's best to stay away from the non-DPS talents in the BM tree as much as possible. Endurance Training, Thick Hide, Spirit Bond, etc are really all soloing talents. The small amount of extra survivability that they give you and your pet in a raid isn't worth the DPS you are sacrificing by spending talent points in them.
Most specs do include 1 pt in Endurance Training in order to get to the 3rd tier, however.
Your BM tree should look something along the lines of
this
. I don't raid as BM though, so somebody else may be able to help you more with the spec.
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izuul
Yeah, i would only go 2/3 if i ever speced BM myself, but i figured it was one of those gear-dependent things so I put 3/3 to be safe. Hadn't considered 1 though.
Are you still able to maintain uptime with 1 point, or is it just that the additional uptime isn't worth a talent point?
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Sokur
4/5 Frenzy is a waste of a point, even back in BC you never put more than 3 points into it. That other point is better off in maxing Spirit Bond, it won't help your dps but 10% extra healing to you and your pet means more dps by staying alive. With Cobra Strikes I have 3/3 because our crit is really low compared to MM & especially SV. Maybe it's just my lack of gear (my pally is my main raider, pug with my hunter) but 3/3 seems like a sure bet.
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izuul
In early WotLK (pre 3.08 BM nerf) when BM was putting out the best raid numbers, the top DPS spec (50/21/0) included 4/5 Frenzy. And that wasn't my opinion, it was tested and coming from the guys on EJ.
Edit:
I just took my own gear, regemmed and enchanted it for AP rather than agility in the spreadsheet, and I'm getting 3/5 Frenzy and 3/3 Cobra Strikes as the best DPS combo for those talents. That was moving the saved point from Frenzy into Mortal Strikes though.
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