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What do people think of atheists?
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blademeld
I see the bible, I hear the sermon and I touch the communion bread
I see a book. I hear a man. I touch flat bread.
I see nothing divine in any of these.
Matter of perspective.
Problem being is that this is counter to most religious teachings, in that they say its 'My way or the highway'.
You say it like atheists don't do the same. "Science is the absolute truth."
Without fiction,
Jesus = Ghandi.
Nothing to it. Just that simple.
In your view perhaps, but the decision of if miracles written in the bible are fiction or not for each individual is not up to you, rather it's up to each individual to decide what they deem as fiction or fact.
There's nothing to say that Jesus didn't really exist and that his entire existence is a work of fiction outside the believers and the bible itself. There's also nothing to say that the Earth used to be a ball of molten rock outside observation of other star systems in comparison with the tectonic records on Earth and the scientists who proclaim it to be the truth.
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Arcage
Fact is, Jesus never forced anyone to believe in him. He was very careful to make sure that everybody had a choice.
Well jesus never did anything to the best of our knowledge, there are some stories about what he may or maynot have done/believed but nothing you could call concrete.
The organization that proclamed to be his followers HAVE on the other hand forced many ppl to believe or be faced with terrible torture and death.
There have been a myriad of propaganda campaigns run by various religions (christian and non) that have cost over the ages millions of lives.
And you would have to have your eyes closed (imo) to not see the big picture...Money, power, and political influence.
I'm an athiest for 2 reasons, I dont feel the need to fill the void with this "higher power" nonsense.
The organisations that follow these beliefs are some of greediest deceitfull, and hypocritical groups of human beings to ever walk to face to the earth, and I prefer not to be involved with ppl like that.
Love and peace <3 Arc
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Haxzor
I'd say those organizations aren't actually following the word of God.
It's easier for a Camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven
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Erlinn
There's extremes on both sides, both for Christianity and Atheism. It's these extremes that tarnish the reputation of everyone else. Most Christians probably have an image of Atheists in their head of God-hating, soul-less jerks while most Atheists have an image of Christians in their heads of self-righteous, condescending jerks.
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blademeld
Not really. Or are you going to try and convince me that flat bread is actually the body of a dead man from 2000 years ago.
See now your lumping Atheist in the same boat as the devoutly religious.
A true religous follower believes they have the truth and no amount of convincing other wise will ever get them to change their minds.
A true atheist believes that truth lies within the realm of science and will change their beliefs when shown the appropriate evidence.
Communion bread != flesh of Christ, even in the first communion bread that Jesus gave out, he said it as a metaphor.
Divinity is a matter of perspective, or are you going to argue that what I deem divine to me is not divine to me?
"true religious follower?" isn't that your perspective?
"appropriate evidence" is that also not your perspective?
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Sagramor
I have nothing against atheists, I just don't get them. They say they don't believe in God because of logic (most of them anyways, or at least he ones I've met), or something of the matter, but, to me, the most logic thing in the world is to believe in God. No, I don't believe in the Bible, or any other famous holy books for that matter, no I was never raised by a religious person that forced God into my head.
Flame on.
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I have nothing against atheists, I just don't get them. They say they don't believe in God because of logic (most of them anyways, or at least he ones I've met), or something of the matter, but, to me, the most logic thing in the world is to believe in God. No, I don't believe in the Bible, or any other famous holy books for that matter, no I was never raised by a religious person that forced God into my head.
Flame on.
The problem is, faith =/= logic.
Each atheist has a slightly different view (just as Christians have different interpretations of the same things). Really I could explain why I'm an atheist, but really, there wouldn't be much point.
But I'll put it simple, for an atheist, Math + Science > Faith
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blademeld
What i am trying to say, instead of worshipping some dude with smart ideas, you could just follow his ideas and stop treating him like a god.
You've basically said, Jesus isn't God.
That's challenging come branches of Christianity as far as I can see it.
Like I said, you're not the person to decide what another person believes if fiction or fact.
With other words, if we make it ways of life instead of religions, there would be no problems.
You're suggesting we build our morals around good people, but to throw away religion. That's passive-aggressively promoting atheism.
Acutally I was raised to believe that it wasn't a metaphor at all. That the flat bread actually phsyically transformed into the body of Christ, and the Wine actually was his blood. No metaphor whatsoever.
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE ME LOOK UP PASSAGES?
Thats exactly what I would argue and until a common ground was met I will continue to argue.
So if I said that dirt is delicious to me, will you argue that too?
Yes but it also happens to be theirs as well. Im not talking about a lay- practioner here. Im talking the truly devout that believes everything their religious text teaches them regardless of how ridiculous it may seem to others
That's still your opinion even if they overlap with others, they are self-proclaiming it. Hitler was a self-proclaimed Roman catholic Christian.
If I said that all women should stay in the kitchen, and I said that I was a feminist and the minority women agreed, does that make me a feminist?
In my perspective in that scenario, yes, but certainly not to other people.
Indeed it is, but to the devoutly religious there is no such thing. No middle ground, no proof required, no compromise made.
Science teaches you to question, investigate and prove.
Religion teachs you to accept things as they are, not question and to accept that God has a plan. Blindly ignoring the hypocrisies and inconsistencies it causes.
Devout religious and blind religious are two different things.
You have to make assumptions in science as well, such as carbon dating is completely stable and consistent in thousands and millions of years.
I think you have the wrong idea of religion that true religion requires you to ignore inconsistencies, but to be true to the definition, that's more of a cult rather than a religion.
Post by
ASHelmy
What you guys fail to understand is this: Somethings are fact, like evolution, you have no say in that, not it''s not a matter of opinion, what gives you the right to deny something proven by a LOT of scientists?
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blademeld
What gives you the right to deny something proven by many priests?
It's a matter of what you consider proof.
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ZachUSAman
religion, problems soon to follow.
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blademeld
By your own arguement that is how
you
interpretated the information given to you. But thats not how everyone else sees it.
I completely agree, but the main point of me looking up the passage being that you've challenged to prove that the communion bread is actually the flesh of Christ even though that's not what I've said.
It's also not my interpretation, that's a direct quote from the NIV bible. I didn't interpret anything in the laying down of the quote. What I've said beforehand, perchance, but I didn't edit the quote itself.
But this is contrary to what you have being saying previously, in that its all a matter of perspective.
In my perspective you've had a bad teaching of religion, and it looks like to me that you're simply rebelling against it.
Whether that is true or not is debatable.
You took a known statement, said that it as wrong and provided evidence to support your claim. Thats a scientifc approch, not a religous approach.
I said that it was wrong?
What was wrong about it?
Also, there are sciences of religions, I don't think the way I approach the topic changes the end results.
Why did you even point that out?
I do however realise that you were just trying to be pedantic.
Why would you challenge what I define for myself? Is it hurting you somewhere? Do you benefit from it?
That's the point I was trying to get to.
You know what hypocrisy I see in this thread?
I see atheists claiming that religious followers are too pushy, yet the same atheists are also trying to chop down religion.
I'm not trying to promote religion, I'm only defending my right to say that religious beliefs are as valid as scientific beliefs for each individual.
I don't understand why I have to be wrong in order for you to be satisfied, can't we agree to disagree?
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