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Trinkets for Disc raid healing...
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320632
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Post by
OscarDivine
I use the Forethought Talisman with a DMC: Illusion. Yes yes yes, before some yahoo says, "Well Disco priests don't have mana issues!" I just like reassurance. and another 100 SP is always nice.
Post by
56987
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Post by
Paolo
I am a throughput junkie. I don't have mana issues, so until Blizzard re-nerfs mana regen, I'm putting my money on muscle-trinkets. Spellpower is king. Just my opinion -- obviously other high-class disc priests love their intellect and regen trinkets. (I swapped out my
IED
for a
BED
a long time ago.) And for reference, we're 8 bosses into Ulduar 25, no hard modes yet.
Here are my thoughts on the iLevel 213+ trinkets:
Illustration
- pry this from my cold dead fingers. Soulbound, for real.
Forethought
- can't wait to trade this in. Static spellpower is great, proc is wasted itemization, IMO.
Soul
- I passed on it every time I saw it. A lot of great priests love it though. For my money, I don't like seeing so much regen on a trinket.
Broodmother
- Yessir. Will make a great double-stacker with Dragon Soul. Can't wait to get one of these.
Pandora
- Looks sexy, but I don't think I'll be rolling on it for a while. My arcane mage and holy pally friends need theirs first (unquestionably BiS for both specs). Even after I get it, I don't expect it to be on all the time. Mana just isn't a big issue, so the intellect doesn't get me all riled up the way it does other disc priests.
Sif
- Similar comments to Pandora. A fantastic alternate trinket for regen-heavy fights, which are few & far between. As far as I'm concerned (and not having either, mind you), Sif & Pandora are essentially interchangeable and nearly identical hybrid trinkets. That said, I'd prefer Sif for its static spellpower.
Spark
- Will make a lovely abyss crystal after all my holy priest & resto-druid friends get theirs. I need more abyss crystals. Sorry, but regen-only trinkets just don't interest me. Alright I lied a little; I'd keep it for Vezax (just for the mana savings), but that's all I can think of.
Scale
- I strongly prefer passive effects to on-use effects. Plus, the haste effect isn't my cup of tea, though lots of disc priests love their haste trinkets. So I'll pass on this one.
My ideal setup:
Illustration
+
Broodmother
with either
Pandora
or
Sif
available to swap out for regen, and
Spark
for Vezax only.
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320632
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Post by
migit128
Spark Of Hope - no. just no. if you are so pressed for mana that you'd consider using this, you are either playing the class wrong or severely undergeared (or gearing for the wrong stats).
Pandora's Plea - great for the long fights where damage is predictable (meaning you know who is going to take most of the damage so bubbles would be fully used on the target). this is primarily a regen trinket and should be used on the fights were you'd go oom (like thorum hard mode - mass dispel spamming or general vezax(more so for the hard mode)). if you factor in the mana gained from replenishment it's a decent chunk of MP5, and still about 1% crit after talents and kings. when the trinket procs, i've had bubbles absorb over 10k damage a piece.
illustration = pure win. for most fights playing a disc priest is about GCD management. you rarely stop casting for a second so the stacks rarely fall off. for fights like general vezax though it is horid.
broodmother - amazing. 87 crit rating and 125 spell power if you do not stop casting. again though, this isnt good for fights like vezax when you'd be hurting yourself to keep the stacks up.
keep in mind that as a disc priest your most powerful spell is your bubble if you use it correctly. crit doesn't increase the amount the bubble will absorb, nor does haste. with borrowed time, your dont need much haste to bubble spam effectively. the ONLY thing that will increase the amount of damage your bubbles absorb is spell power, so stack as much of it as you possibly can. if you find yourself going oom, the intel trinket is a great one to have. it ends up being about 130 intel, which leads to about an extra 2k mana to your pool. this extra 2k mana adds leads to about an extra 5 mana every .5 seconds from replenishment...which leads to about 50mp5. this 50 mp5 leads to 3k extra mana over a 5 minute fight, so the trinket is really giving you about 5k more mana per fight. (did this in my head so it isnt exact)
oh, and paolo, Forethought's proc is absolutely amazing for vezaxs hard mode. due to the low amount of heals you cast during the fight, it seems to proc on far more heals.
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Paolo
oh, and paolo, Forethought's proc is absolutely amazing for vezaxs hard mode. due to the low amount of heals you cast during the fight, it seems to proc on far more heals.
Good point! I've only done a few attempts on 10-man Vezax, so I definitely haven't gotten a feel for how to navigate gear choices for that interesting fight.
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56987
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Post by
Ethix
Actually it's pretty easy to go oom. Literally make your job to shield the entire 25 man raid, and you will go oom. Just sit there and go down the gorups on your grid or whatever. Using every gcd for pw:s makes you oom eventually!
Post by
Paolo
Spark Of Hope - no. just no. if you are so pressed for mana that you'd consider using this, you are either playing the class wrong or severely undergeared (or gearing for the wrong stats).
So, Disc Priests have no mana issues anymore then, is that what you're saying?
Unless you're relying on others to cover for you
, in Ulduar any priest (disc included) can go out of mana at will, while still efficiently doing their job.
Even as "Tank healer" I refuse to watch someone die or let any raid member sit below 50% for longer than 2 seconds
.
...mp5... absolutely IS valuable for fights that last longer than 3 minutes. Of course,
unless you are being carried
.
Go ahead now and tell me that you never get below 50% and I am playing the game wrong.
Yes, it does sound like you're playing the game wrong. Well, more accurately, your partners are. It sounds like they aren't doing their jobs, and in fact,
you
are ending up carrying
them
.
I'm also a team player; I don't like watching people die. And I do throw shields around very liberally (
very
) even as a tank healer, as long as I have the GCDs to allow for it. But if you're tank healing AND raid healing, then your other healers aren't doing what they're supposed to. So of course you'll be OOM! Ulduar is designed to be stressful for people playing at level, doing their assigned jobs. And if you're doing two jobs at once...?
Oh, and ending fights at 50% or more isn't necessarily a good sign. It might mean your team is overgeared for the fight.
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56987
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Post by
Paolo
Oh, you must have missed the rest of my post; did it cut off at the first sentence? There was quite some substance relevant to the discussion at hand (i.e., why & whether one needs regen trinkets). I'll repost if you like.
But I agree; arguments have been made, even if agreement hasn't been reached.
Unless I'm reading too much into the title of this thread, is this not about raid healing as Disc? If this is about dedicated single target healing, someone should say so, because the title is misleading if that is the case.
Actually I think the OP was ambiguous in his grammar, and your interpretation was understandable. In the original post, he uses the term more accurately:
...best in slot for raiding disc priests...
I think he intended to contrast it to disc PvP healing.
Post by
Kataly
I take powerhouse trinkets over regen trinkets any day. I very rarely have mana issues, and i constantly toss shields to the raid when i have the gcd to spare. We've only been able to attempt Vezax once, and we lolwiped on silly things like we always do on first attempts.
The only fight i ever go oom on is the Iron Council - and even then i don't need the regen trinkets. Shadowfiend + hymn are enough to keep me going.
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