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Post by
Lordplatypus
Look, i'm all for this, but it's not going to work.
The future is nuclear fusion, but these greens keep forcing money into dead-end tech.
Post by
Adamsm
Look, i'm all for this, but it's not going to work.
The future is nuclear fusion, but these greens keep forcing money into dead-end tech.
Uh huh...so what is your plan for getting rid of all that deadly left over that nuke plants leave behind?
Post by
Skreeran
Look, i'm all for this, but it's not going to work.
The future is nuclear fusion, but these greens keep forcing money into dead-end tech.
We're working on that,
but
wikipedia suggests
that a working reactor is unlikely before 2050.
What do we do before then?
Post by
Magician22773
moved to here
Post by
Sas148
Um...this is an abortion thread. Let's keep on topic please.
Post by
MyTie
I read all the words in that comic, and they failed to form a coherent message in my brain.
Liberals fight for laws to regulate, and sometimes outlaw things, for no other reason than not allowing you to choose to do something that is bad for your health, or the health of others. Liberals fight for the choice to have an abortion, which causes the death of a human being.
I've pointed it out before. I've said that liberals will fight for your right to choose to do what they agree with, but not choose to do something they disagree with. Therefore, liberals aren't really "pro-choice". Not really. They are all about increasing government regulation, not decreasing. The nanny state and all that.
It actually gets pretty difficult, when you try to figure out which issues liberals will decide that individuals should have a choice in. What
really
turns into a mind !@#$, is trying to figure out
why
the topics that are deemed choice worthy are chosen as such. Why on Earth insist that a woman should be able to choose to end the life of the baby inside her, but not choose to have a 40 oz soda? I mean, go sit in a quiet room and try to logic that one out in your head. It can't be done. The best logical reasoning I can figure out, is the more heinous, awful, atrocious, and immoral an action, the more a liberal will fight to defend it. Therefore, liberals seem to loath personal responsibility and morality. Either that or they are just woefully uniformed. But, again, that leads me to question
why
people want immorality? I think it is just because people don't have morality, because they have rejected it and accepted subjective morality. That's where you get stuff like "well
I
don't believe it is a baby, so it isn't". I mean, really? People just don't know what "right" and "wrong" are anymore. It's sad. They let popular opinion define it for them. I'm so glad my life isn't built on nothing but self willed ego, popularity, and guttural desires. I'm grateful I put value on life. I'm glad I'm not living in the dark.
That cartoon is just pointing to the absurdity of most liberals when they call themselves "
pro-choice
". Laughable, man.
Post by
Skreeran
I read all the words in that comic, and they failed to form a coherent message in my brain.
Liberals fight for laws to regulate, and sometimes outlaw things, for no other reason than not allowing you to choose to do something that is bad for your health, or the health of others. Liberals fight for the choice to have an abortion, which causes the death of a human being.
...
That cartoon is just pointing to the absurdity of most liberals when they call themselves "
pro-choice
". Laughable, man.Don't be so blind as to miss that it's on both sides of the fence.
Liberals want to ban guns, Conservatives want to ban gay marriage. Liberals want to reduce carbon emissions, Conservatives want to reduce abortions. Liberals want to ban unhealthy foods (in some states), Conservatives want to keep cannabis banned.
Both sides want to control what people do. You talk about Liberals as if they weren't people, and that really bothers me. Both sides do this "us vs. them" "self vs. other" thing, and I really don't like it. Yes, there are clearly and plainly some individuals who just go along with whatever their party stance is, but give people some credit.
I am a human being who is pro-choice (in some cases), anti-gun control, pro-gay marriage, anti-big spending, and pro-ecological responsibility. And yet all too often people will call me a "Liberal" and tell me all of the things I do and want as if they knew me.
Post by
MyTie
Liberals want to ban guns, Conservatives want to ban gay marriage. Liberals want to reduce carbon emissions, Conservatives want to reduce abortions. Liberals want to ban unhealthy foods (in some states), Conservatives want to keep cannabis banned.Interestingly, I differ from conservatives on the issues you listed, and concede that there is a lot of hypocrisy in the movement. I side with liberals on drugs, environment (albeit person, not governmental controls), homosexual marriage, etc...You talk about Liberals as if they weren't people, and that really bothers me.What bothers me is that they are humans, and have arrived at the conclusions they have. That sincerely scares me, to think they have the same blood in their veins, the same brains in their heads, as I do. That bothers me. I wish they weren't human, then when they decided to kill their own unborn I wouldn't have to reflect on my own nature.I am a human being who is pro-choice (in some cases), anti-gun control, pro-gay marriage, anti-big spending, and pro-ecological responsibility. And yet all too often people will call me a "Liberal" and tell me all of the things I do and want as if they knew me.This is a discussion abut abortion. In this discussion, you are a liberal. That's just where you fit in it. And, I kind of expected an appeal to the exceptions, and how "they aren't all the same", but I'm just going to go ahead and brush that off. There is no need to put a disclaimer saying that. You understand very well what I mean.
Post by
Magician22773
Can we forget the politics? If you want to start a "why are your political views _______" thread, then do that instead.
Unfortunately, no, because it IS a political issue, Ignoring facts does not promote better discussion, and abortion is an extremely political issue in America. we have but 2 viable political parties, and the majority of one of them is pro-abortion, while a majority of the other is pro-life. So the topic really has no way of being separated from politics.
Post by
MyTie
I'm about as far right-wing as you can get. but I'm still pro-choice.
I'm as dry as anyone could possibly be, except of course, I'm swimming around at the bottom of a swimming pool.
Post by
Magician22773
You all
are making
And yet you just made the same mistake.
It is all too easy to generalize a group of people, I realize that there are pro-abortion, right-wing individuals, just as there are pro-life, left wing individuals. But it is a fact that the majorities of each party believe differently.
I will say that I would trade you pretty much every other Liberal political issue in exchange for a Pro-Life stance, as it is one of the only political cornerstones that directly costs a innocent human life.
Post by
MyTie
I will say that I would trade you pretty much every other Liberal political issue in exchange for a Pro-Life stance, as it is one of the only political cornerstones that directly costs a innocent human life.
Agreed. I'd compromise/concede everything, but this. No death penalty, homosexual marriage, welfare, feminism, socialism, healthcare, drugs, Palestine terrorism, anti-Merican rants, all of it... I'd let everyone have it all, if they would be pro-life.
Post by
MyTie
So I get whatever I want if I become pro-life?
If you'll genuinely be pro-life, I'll concede anything you want.
Post by
MyTie
So I get whatever I want if I become pro-life?
If you'll genuinely be pro-life, I'll concede anything you want.
Can't I just be pro-life for myself and let other people do what they want?
If you would genuinely accept the pro-life stance, and advocate for the unborn, from conception, I will concede anything you want. Keep in mind, if you are truly pro-life, you view the unborn as precious as the born.
Post by
MyTie
If you thought of an unborn baby as a baby, you would probably protest against the killing of that baby, fight against the "right to choose" to kill that baby, and be hurt when it happened.
But, I'll accept a "quiet pro-life stance", because it is a step in the right direction. I'll accept it because the lives of babies is far more important than anything that I am or anything that I stand for. I would renounce God to prevent an abortion, one single abortion. I would risk eternal damnation to save a single baby. You've seen me debate religion. I'm a preacher. So, that's how passionately I feel about abortion.
Post by
MyTie
Sure, yeah, protection is important. That's great.
Post by
MyTie
Sure, yeah, protection is important. That's great.
I'm serious. -_-
Abortion is always going to be a problem unless the actual issue is addressed.
Let's talk about gun safety, in relation to Sandy Hook. Did the shooter take a class in gun safety? Perhaps he didn't realize the safety was off?
This is kind of how the argument looks. Yeah, gun safety is important, but safety has little relevance to those who readily and willingly take the lives of innocent people. You want to advocate for safe sex? I'll be with you all day long. But, that's merely a distraction to the fact that there are people readily willing to slaughter the unborn, suck out the corpses, and toss them in the garbage. This is genocide.
Post by
MyTie
Deal.
Post by
Magician22773
How about this, then. You can take away the option for abortions and make them illegal. But I want the death penalty in every state. =)
Heck...lets at least make it a more equitable deal.
I will trade you a full repeal of Roe v Wade, with Constitutional protection
for
unborn children, in exchange for Gay Marriage and Gun Control all the way down to full confiscation of all "firearms" (as defined by Sec.18 USC), and will I will even toss in a Vote for Hillary in 2016.
Post by
MyTie
a Vote for Hillary in 2016.
That's kind of defeating the purpose.
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