Dps issues....

Post by Lightrain

So, before 3.0.x, I could pull 1k-1200 dps in kara. After, I was pulling 830 dps. I just respec'd to dps/off tank spec for leveling, and I'm still not pulling that much dps. I push 850-950 in 5 man, and burst up to just over 1k. As boom, with 1100 sp, I pull 850-1k dps as well, but I'm also in healer gear without much crit, and no haste.

Is anyone else having this issue? It's wierd. I see bigger numbers, but do less dps... Maybe I need to start using berzerker more often. I already worked TF into my DPS rotation.

So I guess, dps wise, what's the best rotation you guys are coming up with? Did feral dps rotatin change drastically?

I'm using pounce(if stealthed), FFF, mangle, shred x *(to get 3-4cp), rip, refresh mangle when needed, TF when I'm out of energy and it's off CD, otherwise shred spam. Berzerk and trinket on on bosses.

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Post by Anile

Are you doing more tanking now or dps? Your gear and spec are more towards Tanking.

Post by Lightrain

It looks like I logged in my tanking gear. I do a lot of tanking as well, and is why I get PotP. The only talents I didn't get that are really "dps" talent is KotJ and Imp mangle. I think the improvement there will be so minor, I took some tanking talents so if I need to get an instance done, I can tank and know that we won't be a group that fails at a normal instance.

This is also a leveling build, so brutal impact and imp LotP are a must. I'm not a full raid dps spec, since I do a lot of solo grinding as well. I do need to swap out some stam gems pretty badly tho. Even on my pally in heroics, I've noticed most, not all, but most feral druids don't do good dps. I just did H CoT the other day, and a feral "dps" with 6400 atp put out 1100 dps, and was below the tank(I believe I tanked that one) on the damage meters. I think a lot of druids don't read their talents. Before patch, I did H BM and the other feral druid was mangle spamming for dps... That's about as bad as the ret pally in H UP that was using SoW for dps. /wrist /fail

I believe, in kitty, I'm at around 3500 atp, with 26% crit(it drops every level... =( ).

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Post by Lightrain

Ya, that was my other question. Should I rake when switching to second target now? I've been using pounce over ravage now because of R&T, then try to get 3 cp quick for a rip. Should I open a new target with rake>mangle>shred instead, of course assuming no dps warrior or druid tank. Also, in these situations, is rake any good? Or should I concentrate on shred/rip rotations if I have one of these classes in group?

I haven't seen much info about the new feral tree. I was seeing a lot of guessing, then went to grind my pally and never saw any results or evidence on the matters. =/

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Post by Kaitain

Rake is good, it does a lot of damage for not much energy. Always rake if it is not up. It's also cheap combo points, which is very important for squeezing more finishing moves into your cycle. That combined with keeping up everything else (Savage Roar, Rip, Mangle, FF) is the the concept of the DPS cycle.

I think the reason some ferals can turn out massive DPS while others can't (yet :-) is because the cycle is one of the most complex I have seen. There is no "rotation" per se, more a priority list and some points on what do do with Clearcasting procs and such. All of this is at it's core quite reaction-based because the entire cycle's pace is determined but how many double combo point crits you get and when Omen procs. Compare this to a fire mage's "rotation"...

There is a good breakdown of the basic concepts at
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t37382-cat_dps_rotation/

read the whole thread there's tons of info in it.

Don't forget also that it's all physical damage and so all about armor. Things like Sunder / Expose Armor give a large damage boost (14% for 5xSunder?). If you are cat DPSing an instance, you really want a warrior tank.

Post by Lightrain

That is the info I was looking for. Thanks! =)

It looks like without 2pT6, shred will out perform mangle for now. I'm guessing most of this stuff is based on lvl 80 talents. I don't think leveling with a mangle build will be faster, but then again, switching targets and being able to mangle spam may make it better for leveling... So many choices, and such a small gold pool... =/

When is dual spec coming out? QQ =P

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