Druid Guide, Part 5: Moonkin DPS [Outdated - BC]

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Post by anywherenotes

Is this still all valid for 3.2?

Post by curlymon

Is this still all valid for 3.2?

No it is not. I'm was working on a rewrite of this for 3.1.3 and 3.2 caught me a bit off guard. I'm making sure all my facts are straight and everything is settled down with 3.2 before I finalize it and release it.

Edit: Other then the rotation section the balances section of the Druid FAQ at the top of the druid forums is still current information.

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Post by oberondreaming

I'm pretty sure the new rotation is:

FF+DoTs
Wrath til eclipse
Starfire til eclipse

Repeat wrath/starfire each proc'ing eclipse. Refresh DoTs as necessary.

Post by anywherenotes

Should we refresh the dot when it's down? or wait until eclipse is down?

Ok, here are specific questions:
lets say I got both dots going, shooting wrath, and there's 1 sec left on dots when I get an eclipse.
If I start casting starfire, the dots will go away.
Should I first refresh both of them? or maybe just moonfire for increased crit?

Another one:
Should i still try to proc with wrath? ober, your suggestion means I should be alternating procs.

Post by oberondreaming

Since the cooldowns on the two eclipses are separate (each lasting 30s) and the duration on each eclipse is 15s, you can theoretically have almost 100% eclipse uptime (if you get lucky on procs).

I don't think it really matters much which one you start with, though presumably you want to get in to an eclipse ASAP. I'm not sure whether more wraths per second results in better chance to proc sooner given that a wrath crit is only a chance to proc. I'm sure someone's done the math. In the end though, the time waiting to proc eclipse is going to be, averaged over all time, roughly the same regardless of which one you start with.

I think you generally want to refresh your DoTs at some point when your current cast of wrath/starfire is not going to be affected by eclipse, but not while they will be. So if you get an eclipse proc a second or two before your dots end, push through the eclipse and refresh them as it finishes.

There was math on the problem over at MMO-Champion, and I think it ended up being pretty close, but slightly in favor of letting the DoTs die and utilizing the eclipse.

Post by curlymon

As for wrath vs SF to proc the first eclisp probability wise, using wrath is just less then 1% more likely to proc eclipse then starfire. There is an idea floating around called twisting that has you alternating SF and W untill on proc that way your always casting the most efficient followup, but I've not done the math to see if this changes the probability in any significan't way or not, as of yet.

Post by Celdhyrean

(intervening shortly from a break during a trip in east-europe, so dont expect many updates on my part till the end of the month)

This thread is outdated as has been said, it was last current during BC.

Previous results for dots vs Eclipse were that the difference was very slightly positive towards dot refreshing up till a certain point of eclipsem but since the difference was very small and the chances to botch your rotation great it was mosly ignored. 3.2 didnt change this.
What changes this howewer is that with 3.2 you want to go for the new moonfire idol, which is good enough that you ll want to keep MF up as much as possible.
IS is another problem but has a duration that is quite convenient as long as you are lucky with your eclipse procs.