Post by Erona
I don't see the Idol of Worship
damage increase on my Rip's. I went to a test dummy, applied a 5 pt Rip. Then I equiped the Idol of Worship and applied the same 5 pt Rip with the same buffs (unbuffed, no procs running) and came up with the exact same numbers.
Is anyone else getting this? The way I read it each tick should be doing 21*amount of combo points invested in Rip.
As a side note, for bosses, what would be better. This Idol or the Shred Idol? Top end Ferals from my server are saying that the Rip Idol should add more DPS during a boss fight while Rip is consantly up. But I still think, with the amount of Shred's you get via Berserk and OoC procs, that the Idol of the Ravenous Beast
would be a better choice. Maybe I am wrong.
Edit: After thinking more it does seem that the Idol of Worship would be a DPS inscrease over the Ravenous Beast Idol.
Post by Erona
Yea that is sorta what I was figuring after I look harder at it.
Currently I have 50.51% Crit rating with 14k AP (raid buffed, and SR running). So what do you think would be better then? I am still betting on the Rip Idol. After looking at your numbers I still think that, with my AP and the fact that I make sure that I have Rip running 99% of the time, that the Idol of Worship would be better. http://www.armory-light.com/us/Draka/Coale
(Yes, I did get a name change)
However (and I will go test agian right now) I still don't think that the Idol of Worship is working.
Post by Aadramelekh
As far as I know, most bosses in WotLK raids have ~11000 armor. That equates to what... 40% damage reduction maybe? That IS a big factor in favor of rolling Rips & Rakes instead of shreds, and using Mangle for filling up combo points (since they cost 34 energy vs 42 energy for Shred, also if one can use 2xTier 6 then it becomes even MORE attractive, at only 29 energy cost) to maintain Rip & Savage Roar up all the time. If you can add in 4xTier 6 pieces, then you may witness a huge improvement in damage output, because even if the Tier 6 pieces provide inferior stats, they also provide a +15% increase to Rip (and even Ferocious Bite to use when Berserking and more energy is available). Of course, on the other hand, a properly specced feral with ~50% crit and also +13% increased critical damage from meta gem and Predatory Instincts 3/3 may argue in favor of Shred. BUT STILL, using 4xT6 and 2xT7 will prove to be probably the best DoT in game so far.
Going a bit wild with the math, it would mean something like this :
Considering the Glyph of Rip and the 2xTier 7 bonus, I think all kitties agree that now, when factoring in the Glyph of Mangle as well, Rip becomes one of the best dots in game.
Crunching some numbers, the situation looks like this:
Mangle + Glyph => 18 seconds
Rip + Glyph + 2xT7 => 20 seconds
Let's look at the damage a 5CP Rip can do if we consider Mangle is always up, provided some nice epix are equipped and heroic raid buffs:Rip Rank 9
: 5 points: damage over 12 sec.
From my personal experience so far, my raid buffed AP has reached a passive value of ~9700. With some lucky procs and Savage Roar, it got around ~14000. Let's do some simple math based on the 14000AP value: (534 + 0.05 * 14000) * 6 = 7404 damage over 12 seconds. With Mangle, that goes up to 7404 * 1.3 = 9625 over 12 seconds. That is 6 ticks. We are looking at 1604 damage per tick.
Both the Glyph and the 2xT7 bonus basically add more ticks to Rip. With 20 seconds being the new duration, we are looking at an extra 4 ticks. 4 * 1604 = 6416 damage. For a combined total of 16040 damage over 20 seconds, or 802 DPS.
Now for those lucky guys that still have some Tier 6 around, combining 4xTier6 with 2xTier7 may provide a MONSTROUS increase in damage output (even though the stats are lower, Mangle energy cost -5 and the +15% DMG bonus to Rip & Ferocious Bite are more than enough to offset this), if we are looking at a properly talended kitty that even has Feral Aggression
5/5. A flat 30% increase of FB damage, in conjunction with the fact that a kitty with Master Shapeshifter can get to 50% crit raid buffed (which will assure 100% FB crits on bleeding targets) and the +10% critical damage bonus from Predatory Instincts
3/3 can assure the big bad mew-mew the top spot in raid damage meters, or at least right on par with those crazy mofo warriors that pump out Sh**tloads of DAMAGE
The 2xTier6 reduces Mangle to 29 energy, making it probably even better to use than Shred for combo point build-up and tossing monster Ferocious Bites while rolling constant Rips & Rakes.
Now if that damn Idol of Worship would work...