Lack of love for the holy paladin?

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Post by Lightrain

I have grouped with top end dps. T6 and sunwell geared toons. I have also grouped with top end healers and tanks as well. I assess the group, and act accordingly.

Every group I was in with top end dps didn't have a pally. My gear is rather lacking compared to theres, so you know what we do with that? Stun tank skull while I get the other mobs and build a lead. Yep, nuke the mob before it gets out of the stunlock. Then I have more than enough of a threat lead to not have to worry about the dps. If the dps isn't that far ahead of the curve, They wait 2 lacerates. Then they don't pull. Those dps know how to dps, and don't like repair bills.

No salv needed. For them to dps full out on boss fights, yes, they will need salv. But, like I said, I can out threat a pretty fair amount of dps, and it isn't at all slow.

I think you are getting confused here. If you can't keep up with the healing without BoL, you use it, and make the dps watch their own azzes. If you don't need it, then use salv. If you need the bump for aoe situations to keep everyone alive, use it. Is this such a hard concept? I'm not saying "salv is evil, never use salv. Salv is a wasted spell." Not once. I said SALV ISN'T NEEDED IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TANK. Heroic groups never have, and never will be dependent on salv. I'm not saying it isn't a good buff tho. IDK, if I did say salv was a waste of a buff, I'm sorry. I don't think I ever said that tho. Mainly because I like salv. But if you are dead, salv is useless. There is a choice, 10% stats, 20% healing, or 30% threat. You make it fit the group, or you fail. If your heals can't handle it well, buff your heals. If you can, you don't need to buff your heals.

For the record, every tank I've ever healed on my pally started with kings. If he takes too much damage, I swap him to BoL. Even at 1700+healing. It still runs along the same line. If he's dead, no amount of threat will ever help him. 10%stam and 10% agil will never be the same as 10% hp, and 10% dodge, and will never be the same as 15-20% heals when he's taking a lot of damage.

Post by Lightrain

It's not the party healing, it's the mechanics. Holy pally heals just aren't as powerful without the buff, hence why they are main tank healers.

Quote the whole thing, and don't take it out of context.

Picking bits of text to change the context isn't proving a point. This is actually proving my point since you aren't combating it. Single target healers need help sometimes when they have to heal 5 targets.

I'm tempted to respec my pally and priest, and get accurate numbers since they are both very close on +healing, just to prove my point, but I don't think it's worth the 200g. Maybe I'll work some numbers on their heals and prove it that way, but I really don't have the time at this point.

That's like quoting "azz" out of "I rode a pack mule all the way down the grand canyon, and that azz has some serious balance!", and saying I just made their kid upset with my foul language. This is why you don't see me quoting you all over the place.

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Post by Lightrain

If you have salv on the rest of your group, your heals are reduced dramatically. On massive aoe damage groups, they have to take BoL and watch their aggro. Normal tanks shouldn't have an issue if their dps doesn't have salv. My druid can out threat 900 dps toons on single target fights, bosses especially, without salv. But everyone see's a pally and demands salv.

The mana efficiency comes at a cost, and is why we have an insane amount of crit on our holy gear.

It's not the party healing, it's the mechanics. Holy pally heals just aren't as powerful without the buff, hence why they are main tank healers.

The cure, know when there will be aoe damage, and prepare for it, swap the buffs to BoL and tell em to stop QQing like nubs and watch their aggro like real dps.

Maybe I wasn't clear. If you are wiping, and can't keep everyone healed, you do this. If your heals can handle it, you don't need to. The reason being your 18-20% heal increase. No where did I say salv was a bad buff.

I have healed light tanks(that shouldn't be in heroics yet...), and when they have kings, it does almost nothing, and reduces my heals on them, but BoL will give me enough healing to keep him up. It has happened on many occasions, and does make the run slow(because the tank is under geared).

Now, us non raiding people have this thing called kindness. We will suffer thru an excruciatingly slow kara, or a new to heroic group that shouldn't really be in heroics yet. Some of us don't just jump ship at the first wipe. It's a game, and experienced players are helping them learn how to do this stuff.

OFC, you will QQ and leave if the first 3 pulls aren't instant or get messed up and generate a wipe, but I'm not like that. I check the tank to make sure he's got enough stats, and then proceed or not based on that.

Typically, I don't need BoL on dps, yes. It very rarely happens. I think I did it twice on one melee dps out of the party. I never healed heroic mgt on my pally, so idk if the aoe situations there would benefit from it. I did have a pally heal it for me tanking swap everyone to BoL for the priestess fight tho.

Where you guys are getting that I'm anti salv, I don't know. I'm saying dps doesn't need salv, and if they are dieing because you can't get enough heals on them, try buffing them for it.

I did a heroic botanica with no salv(druid heals), and we did the run in about an hour. The most dps on my recount was 680 or so. It wasn't slow, and the tank didn't have any issues with aggro. We chain pulled our way thru the whole instance. I still don't see what the problem is.

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Lack of love for the holy paladin?

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