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LnL proc time
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Post by
darkestrah
So, as I remember, there was a patch, where LnL proc time was limited to 22 sec or something, although I have never found it mentioned in tooltip or elsewhere. I think this limitation still works. Is there any add-on or somthing that shows when LnL can proc again. This would be usefull if first LnL procs from BA, for example, and we want know when exactly to use freezing trap so it could proc LnL again.
Post by
Zakkhar
LnL internal cd of BA/Explosive trap has nothing to do with LnL of Frost/Freezing trap cd.
So basically cooldowns of your abilities (Black arrow/Fire traps - 24s) and (Frost/Freezing trap - 24s) are enough.
Yes you can get 2 LnLs within 24s, but you wont get 2 LnLs from the same source within 24s.
Post by
darkestrah
TYVM, didn't know this. I thought it's on one common CD, whatever it triggered it. So, I need only something to count 24 seconds.
Post by
Zakkhar
TYVM, didn't know this. I thought it's on one common CD, whatever it triggered it. So, I need only something to count 24 seconds.
You dont need anything to count 24 seconds.
You phisically have no ability that goes of cooldown within those 24seconds that can proc LnL.
Let me give you an example:
You shot freezing trap and get LnL proc, your frost traps get 24s cooldown, so you cant proc another freezing trap LnL within those 24s because you simply lack such ability (unless you use readiness).
You shot Explosive trap or BA and it procs LnL, you wont have a chance to proc another from this source before your skills go off cooldown.
LnL internal cd is 22s, effects proccing it are either instant or have like 10-15s duration. Its enough to not measure anything.
In other words. Every time you trap something with your "ice type" trap you get LnL proc (see the
tooltip
)?
All question like yours always come from a)not reading the tooltips, also not reading
tooltips on wowhead
b)inability to test in game yourself.
Post by
darkestrah
Yes, you're right now as the CD of LnL is 22 sec, and not the firstly said 24 sec which can be overlapped with 22 sec CD of glyphed and "gloved" traps. Thanks anyway
Post by
Maunotavast
LnL cooldowns ARE linked, so a timer is useful.
Frost traps lock only the frost trap procs for 22 seconds (explosive/ba can still proc).
Explosive trap/BA procs will lock BOTH ET/BA and frost trap procs for 22 seconds.
You should always grab the frost trap proc first, so you can get the other one from ET/BA. The second proc might come quite a bit later (depending on number of mobs covered by ET), which usually means that the next LnL WON'T be ready when frost trap is. If you get ET proc first, you can't get the frost proc for 22 seconds.
Post by
Zakkhar
Yes, you're right now as the CD of LnL is 22 sec, and not the firstly said 24 sec which can be overlapped with 22 sec CD of glyphed and "gloved" traps. Thanks anyway
I didint say LnL internal cd is 22s. I said traps/BA cd is 24s (30 untalented).
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Post by
darkestrah
Frost traps lock only the frost trap procs for 22 seconds (explosive/ba can still proc).
Explosive trap/BA procs will lock BOTH ET/BA and frost trap procs for 22 seconds.
Where is this written? FIrst time I here for this different behaviour. This makes things more complicated.
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Post by
Maunotavast
Frost traps lock only the frost trap procs for 22 seconds (explosive/ba can still proc).
Explosive trap/BA procs will lock BOTH ET/BA and frost trap procs for 22 seconds.
Where is this written? FIrst time I here for this different behaviour. This makes things more complicated.
The game tooltips are indeed quite uninformative regarding lock and load.
This behavior is just my observation, but so far it has proven to work exactly like so.
And it doesn't complicate things that much. All you really need to know is when 22 seconds has passed since the last LnL, and then grab the frost proc IF you want it (if there even are any non-immune mobs around). Precise timing (and some luck) might be involved in case you already have ET/BA active, to prevent that proc from happening first (you will also need to spend the charges very, very fast :p).
Also, regarding ET/BA procs in general... to maximize their proc chance, you would have to delay your next ET/BA so that the first tick occurs 22 seconds after the last proc. That's around 10/15 seconds at worst if you get it on the last tick :p.
Not sure how the delay impacts DPS, but more (or more likely :P) LnL procs can't be a bad thing?
Post by
Zakkhar
LnL internal cd is 22s
I didint say LnL internal cd is 22s.
Huh?
Yes, you're right now as the CD of LnL is 22 sec, and not the firstly said 24 sec which can be overlapped with 22 sec CD of glyphed and "gloved" traps. Thanks anyway
I didint say LnL internal cd is 22s. I said traps/BA cd is 24s (30 untalented).
I meant 24 s there oviously.
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298296
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Post by
Zakkhar
So the question becomes are the procs linked or not. Maunotavast has suggested they are not independant.
Can confirm it. Fire trap can proc after frost, but frost cant proc after fire. I thought it were some irregularities in my observations. Seems not only my impression.
I meant 24 s there oviously.
Yes, oviously.
w/ Next time you want to clear something up, make sure the numbers are correct.
So the question becomes are the procs linked or not. Maunotavast has suggested they are not independant.
Next time you read the context.
And its clarify - not clear.
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