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Post by
qwertydood
My opinions:
Gearscore
is important because, as thousands have said before, it measures DPS
potential
before the raid actually starts, instead of relying on whispers of "inv 12k dps" and being skeptical. There's only so much boss DPS you can pull with 4k GS, no matter how many stories people cite about when they beat a player with higher GS in DPS.
Recount
then becomes the judge once the raid begins. The only "skill" that DPS needs in raids is to do good DPS without dying (or taxing the healers by standing in bad stuff). EXAMPLE: I'd much rather take a mage that does 9k but gets hit by Onyxia's deep breath once that a mage who does 4k and never needs heals.
To pretty much summarize my opinion on the whole gear vs. skill argument, bosses need to die, and the faster it gets done, the less mistakes are made, even by players who pull 10k but have no "skill".
oh, and other MMORPGs don't have recount or GearScore because, to be frank, not nearly as many people care about those games.
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91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Skill, not gear, gives damage.
Ummmm...no.
Get in your t10 and hit a mob.
Get in quest greens and hit a mob.
Oh look, your gear gave you damage!
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Post by
Rubendesmet619
"skil" is a variable yet I see people working with it here.
Let's stick to the fact, wow is nothing more then a big calculator with some skin on it.
Better gear = beter damage
Skilled people who put effort in it and wanne progres have it easy no matter what people are saying. There is NOBODY stopping you from joining a guild to do f.ex. ICC, they're neither stopping you from starting a run yourself.
I geared up as a tank in TBC, tanked Kara, greeded on offspec, even spended 5000g on blacksmithing for dragonmaw. I applied to a raidingguild perfectly gemmed/specced/enchanted and the next day I was in SSC winning my first pieces, 3 weeks later I was clearing MH.
Same for these days, I joined a topguild on our server at the end of 3.1, al of them in full Ulduar25 gear and me having Nax25/Ulduar10 gear maximum.
At the end of 3.2 I could /flex in Dalaran with hardmodegear from ToC.
This game ain't hard and people should stop spending time QQ'ing and just spend some more time actualy getting somwhere.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Actually, you're both wrong and right. Gear just sets your limits. It is the skill and attention you put into doing your role that helps you do your best. If you have one but not the other, whatever role you are playing will suffer.
It does more than set limits...
Any attack you do will hit harder with better gear. Gear is directly proportional to damage, with k = skill.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Skill, not gear, gives damage.
Ummmm...no.
Get in your t10 and hit a mob.
Get in quest greens and hit a mob.
Oh look, your gear gave you damage!
Gear is a constant. Multiplied by a player's coefficient of skill, it gives their damage output. You can pull the required DPS for Icecrown in full iLvl213 epics if you're good. You can barely scrape by in 245 epics if you're bad.
You just completely dodged the issue.
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Post by
Modibybob
'Gear' and 'skill' are being used too broadly here.
What defines good gear? Easy. The higher the gearscore is of a particular item is, the better the piece of gear, right? (Assuming, of course that this piece of gear is appropriate for your class)
What defines skill? It becomes a bit more complex.
- Knowing your rotation/priority
- Knowing the highest priority stats one must aim for, and their respective order of importance. (hit rating, spell power/AP, etc.)
- Knowing fights and acting/reacting accordingly
- Helping the group as a whole as opposed to yourself
- Actually gemming/enchanting your gear appropriately
- Quickly adapting to 'oh sh*t' situations
Post by
dhampir1989
Skill, not gear, gives damage.
Ummmm...no.
Get in your t10 and hit a mob.
Get in quest greens and hit a mob.
Oh look, your gear gave you damage!
Gear is a constant. Multiplied by a player's coefficient of skill, it gives their damage output. You can pull the required DPS for Icecrown in full iLvl213 epics if you're good. You can barely scrape by in 245 epics if you're bad.
You just completely dodged the issue.
If by "dodged" you mean "demonstrated its a fallacy then, yes.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
You: Skill gives damage, gear does not.
Me: Um, that second part is wrong...gear does give damage.
You: SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL
You see? Dodging the issue. I never once mentioned skill. My point is completely about gear, and you are dodging the question by not addressing it.
Post by
Random0008
You: Skill gives damage, gear does not.
Me: Um, that second part is wrong...gear does give damage.
You: SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL
You see? Dodging the issue. I never once mentioned skill. I point is completely about gear, and you are dodging the question by not addressing it.
What he said.
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91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Except, I didn't. In the context of this conversation, unless it passed over your head, what I'm saying is completely valid.
In case you were dozing: The context of this conversation is gearscore and recount. Recount is an accurate measure of someone's DPS. Gearscore tells you
nothing
about whether the person can actually live up to their gear. Someone in iLvl213 epics with skill will do more damage than a bad person in 245 epics.
If you assume that the skilled person in iLvl213 epics then upgrades to 245 epics -- then, yes, they're going to do more DPS
than themselves
when they had poorer gear. I never said or implied that that wasn't the case. What I did say, though, is that you do not need 245 gear, as a DPS, to perform in Icecrown.
You: Skill gives damage,
gear does not
.
Me: Um, that second part is wrong...gear does give damage.
You: SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL
You see? Dodging the issue. I never once mentioned skill. My point is completely about gear, and you are dodging the question by not addressing it.
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91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
It's pretty hard to de-contextualize something like
Skill, not gear, gives damage.
That is wrong. Okay? Whether you want to admit it or not,
skill and gear both give damage.
As such neither can be the sole measure of a person's dps.
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