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Post by
Gone
So a bit of news on the
next
DLC, looks like their using the name Hearthfire.
http://gamerant.com/skyrim-dlc-hearth-fire-tao-158062/
No info as of yet besides the name.
Post by
Rankkor
=O I wonder if it has anything to do with fire?
ufgh, too bad they don't make DLCs or expansions about what I want T_T
Namely, a DLC/expansion were we take the fight back to the aldimeri dominion, and/or rebuild the dark brotherhood to its former glory.
Its a little unfair how the other joinable factions get relatively happy endings, yet they get a pretty bleak bittersweet one.
Post by
Morec0
One final thing on the self-induced character classes; forcing yourself to kill a dragon without a bow and arrow (for my "death knight" character it's ice magic, twohanded or one-onehanded sword, and whatever undead I can get) is epicly challenging. So challenging, in fact, I have yet to do it on my own.
not quite. See, whatever else you may be roleplaying (Death Knight, Barbarian, Rogue), you are above all else, a Dragonborn, and therefore you are half-dragon and can use the powers dragons can.
By getting the
Dragonrend
shout, fighting dragons is pretty trivial. Just hit them with the shout, and once they're forced to land, you can keep them grounded forever.
Slow-time is another dragon shout that is tremendously useful in getting rid of the damned buggers.
I ignore most Dragon shouts unless I feel they fit to my character. The frost breath is one (though I don't have it yet) and Marked for Death is another I think fits with the character just as well.
I decided to ignore the "you are dragonborn" story for combat purposes, although I still tap into them so I can do the quests. Again; this is only on one of my characters. The others I'm a bit more universal, but for this one I decided to take a strict approach to the game. Hell, I don't even use the fast travel or wait systems, I walk everywhere and wait for shops to open in real time or use the bed (how that ranks above the wait system, I'm not sure).
Post by
Rankkor
One final thing on the self-induced character classes; forcing yourself to kill a dragon without a bow and arrow (for my "death knight" character it's ice magic, twohanded or one-onehanded sword, and whatever undead I can get) is epicly challenging. So challenging, in fact, I have yet to do it on my own.
not quite. See, whatever else you may be roleplaying (Death Knight, Barbarian, Rogue), you are above all else, a Dragonborn, and therefore you are half-dragon and can use the powers dragons can.
By getting the
Dragonrend
shout, fighting dragons is pretty trivial. Just hit them with the shout, and once they're forced to land, you can keep them grounded forever.
Slow-time is another dragon shout that is tremendously useful in getting rid of the damned buggers.
I ignore most Dragon shouts unless I feel they fit to my character. The frost breath is one (though I don't have it yet) and Marked for Death is another I think fits with the character just as well.
I decided to ignore the "you are dragonborn" story for combat purposes, although I still tap into them so I can do the quests. Again; this is only on one of my characters. The others I'm a bit more universal, but for this one I decided to take a strict approach to the game. Hell, I don't even use the fast travel or wait systems, I walk everywhere and wait for shops to open in real time or use the bed (how that ranks above the wait system, I'm not sure).
Well, Dragonrend fits quite nicely to a Death Knight.
Why? because the shout itself affects dragons by introducing them to their own mortality. Time is an alien concept to dragons, they never age, and they never die, they are immortals, so when you shout at them in their language the words "Joor Zah Frul" (Mortal, Finite, Temporary) You introduce the concept of death to them, and this hurts them like crap.
A death Knight introducing mortality to ageless beings seems pretty fitting IMO.
(BTW; the reason dragons can't use this shout is precisely because mortality itself is a foreign concept to them, only a being that is familiar with it can use it, such as you, a Dragonborn is a dragon in a mortal body)
Post by
Gone
=O I wonder if it has anything to do with fire?
ufgh, too bad they don't make DLCs or expansions about what I want T_T
Namely, a DLC/expansion were we take the fight back to the aldimeri dominion, and/or rebuild the dark brotherhood to its former glory.
Its a little unfair how the other joinable factions get relatively happy endings, yet they get a pretty bleak bittersweet one.
Odds are their saving the Dominion for a future game, probably several future games. Tbh idk if the Dominion is ever going to be the big end game boss of a game, those are usually more supernatural demons or boss gods or something, rather than political stuff. I still think were going to deal with them at some point though.
I really liked the Bloodmoon expansion, it was the most fun Ive had in all three Elder Scrolls games Ive played. I was really dissapointed how the Bloodmoon of the fourth era was handled, Im hoping thats not literally the big "Bloodmoon" of the era. Plus Im pissed they got rid of Hircines badass voice and used the generic Dark Elf voice actor.
Im still hoping for Black Marsh for the next game.
EDIT: How about the soul ripping shout that the undead dragon teaches you for a Death Knight?
Post by
Morec0
So a bit of news on the
next
DLC, looks like their using the name Hearthfire.
http://gamerant.com/skyrim-dlc-hearth-fire-tao-158062/
No info as of yet besides the name.
=O I wonder if it has anything to do with fire?
ufgh, too bad they don't make DLCs or expansions about what I want T_T
Namely, a DLC/expansion were we take the fight back to the aldimeri dominion, and/or rebuild the dark brotherhood to its former glory.
Its a little unfair how the other joinable factions get relatively happy endings, yet they get a pretty bleak bittersweet one.
Hmm... Hearthfire... It invokes two ideas from me: hearth relates to house and fire, well, I can only think of dragons when I think "Skyrim" and "Fire" together. So we may be looking at either dragon takeovers/destruction of cities, or venturing to the home of dragons themselves.
As for my second idea; it may very well have something to do with Daedra or Atronarchs. Dawnguard did give us glimpses of Oblivion again (from what I can tell, I have yet to play it), so maybe we'll be seeing a continuation of that?
Post by
Morec0
One final thing on the self-induced character classes; forcing yourself to kill a dragon without a bow and arrow (for my "death knight" character it's ice magic, twohanded or one-onehanded sword, and whatever undead I can get) is epicly challenging. So challenging, in fact, I have yet to do it on my own.
not quite. See, whatever else you may be roleplaying (Death Knight, Barbarian, Rogue), you are above all else, a Dragonborn, and therefore you are half-dragon and can use the powers dragons can.
By getting the
Dragonrend
shout, fighting dragons is pretty trivial. Just hit them with the shout, and once they're forced to land, you can keep them grounded forever.
Slow-time is another dragon shout that is tremendously useful in getting rid of the damned buggers.
I ignore most Dragon shouts unless I feel they fit to my character. The frost breath is one (though I don't have it yet) and Marked for Death is another I think fits with the character just as well.
I decided to ignore the "you are dragonborn" story for combat purposes, although I still tap into them so I can do the quests. Again; this is only on one of my characters. The others I'm a bit more universal, but for this one I decided to take a strict approach to the game. Hell, I don't even use the fast travel or wait systems, I walk everywhere and wait for shops to open in real time or use the bed (how that ranks above the wait system, I'm not sure).
Well, Dragonrend fits quite nicely to a Death Knight.
Why? because the shout itself affects dragons by introducing them to their own mortality. Time is an alien concept to dragons, they never age, and they never die, they are immortals, so when you shout at them in their language the words "Joor Zah Frul" (Mortal, Finite, Temporary) You introduce the concept of death to them, and this hurts them like crap.
A death Knight introducing mortality to ageless beings seems pretty fitting IMO.
(BTW; the reason dragons can't use this shout is precisely because mortality itself is a foreign concept to them, only a being that is familiar with it can use it, such as you, a Dragonborn is a dragon in a mortal body)
Ah, did not know that (havn't made it THAT far into the game, or found that many different shouts on any characters) but looking at it that definately fits, and I just may use it.
=O I wonder if it has anything to do with fire?
ufgh, too bad they don't make DLCs or expansions about what I want T_T
Namely, a DLC/expansion were we take the fight back to the aldimeri dominion, and/or rebuild the dark brotherhood to its former glory.
Its a little unfair how the other joinable factions get relatively happy endings, yet they get a pretty bleak bittersweet one.
Odds are their saving the Dominion for a future game, probably several future games. Tbh idk if the Dominion is ever going to be the big end game boss of a game, those are usually more supernatural demons or boss gods or something, rather than political stuff. I still think were going to deal with them at some point though.
I really liked the Bloodmoon expansion, it was the most fun Ive had in all three Elder Scrolls games Ive played. I was really dissapointed how the Bloodmoon of the fourth era was handled, Im hoping thats not literally the big "Bloodmoon" of the era. Plus Im pissed they got rid of Hircines badass voice and used the generic Dark Elf voice actor.
Im still hoping for Black Marsh for the next expansion.
I agree with the Black Marsh; definately want to see that. Heil ze Argonian master race!
Post by
Rankkor
Odds are their saving the Dominion for a future game, probably several future games
.
Tbh idk if the Dominion is ever going to be the big end game boss of a game, those are usually more supernatural demons or boss gods or something, rather than political stuff
. I still think were going to deal with them at some point though.
Take a look at the bolded and underlined parts. Its precisely for the reason stated in the bolded segment that I think the Dominion will be dealt with in a DLC or expansion, rather than an actual full blown stand-alone game.
I really liked the Bloodmoon expansion, it was the most fun Ive had in all three Elder Scrolls games Ive played. I was really dissapointed how the Bloodmoon of the fourth era was handled, Im hoping thats not literally the big "Bloodmoon" of the era. Plus Im pissed they got rid of Hircines badass voice and used the generic Dark Elf voice actor.
Im still hoping for Black Marsh for the next expansion.
We're all hoping for so many things on this franchise, I certainly hope they give it the same degree of love they gave New Vegas. Now that was a game that had FINE QUALITY DLCs. And plenty of them too.
Considering they coded 70% of the entire Tamriel continent on the game, its not so farfetched to think we may visit other provinces later on. I'd LOVE it if we could visit Cyrodiil on an expansion pack, and see just how much things have changed in 200 years of absence.
So we may be looking at either dragon takeovers/destruction of cities, or venturing to the home of dragons themselves.
hummm, dragons have no homes, and by dealing with Alduin, I doubt we're gonna have another dragon-centric expansion or DLC for skyrim.
As for my second idea; it may very well have something to do with Daedra or Atronarchs.
Dawnguard did give us glimpses of Oblivion again
(from what I can tell, I have yet to play it), so maybe we'll be seeing a continuation of that?
Very bewy small spoiler:
it did, you visit another plane of oblivion called Soul Cairne during the Dawnguard DLC
Post by
Gone
Take a look at the bolded and underlined parts. Its precisely for the reason stated in the bolded segment that I think the Dominion will be dealt with in a DLC or expansion, rather than an actual full blown stand-alone game.
Dont get me wrong, I think we might see them, But if we do it will be in teh same context as we dealt with the Imperiels/Stormcloak rebellion during the main quest. That is to say I dont think it will be the main story. I think thats still far off, they made the Dominion to be a big part of ES lore, and I think theyll be around for at least another full game.
Hell odds are their going to pull a New Vegas and give us the option of siding with the Dominion or the human Empire. Whatever they do though, I dont think its going to be our choice as to whether the Dominion stays or goes. Bethesda dosnt want another Warp in the West situation where they split off into a bunch of time lines, then just leave it ambiguous and not touch the province for the next 3 games.
Hell as it is their going to have some explaining to do about whether Skyrim remains part of the empire or not. Odds are their going to say something like "The Imperials held out for a time, bute ventually a new rebellion rose and Skyrim left the Empire" or "Skyrim suceeded for a time, but eventually the Imperials came back and reconqured the nation".
Personally I think that their going to go with the Stormcloak side. In the begining articles Bethsda said that the majority of Skyrim wanted to leave the Empire.
Considering they coded 70% of the entire Tamriel continent on the game, its not so farfetched to think we may visit other provinces later on. I'd LOVE it if we could visit Cyrodiil on an expansion pack, and see just how much things have changed in 200 years of absence.
Yea that would be awesome. id like to see Solstheim or Vanderfall again too.
Post by
Rankkor
Dont get me wrong, I think we might see them, But if we do it will be in teh same context as we dealt with the Imperiels/Stormcloak rebellion during the main quest. That is to say I dont think it will be the main story. I think thats still far off, they made the Dominion to be a big part of ES lore, and I think theyll be around for at least another full game.
could be, you do have a point, they've done a lot to build up the dominion and it would be strange to off them so quickly.
Hell odds are their going to pull a New Vegas and give us the option of siding with the Dominion or the human Empire. Whatever they do though, I dont think its going to be our choice as to whether the Dominion stays or goes. Bethesda dosnt want another Warp in the West situation where they split off into a bunch of time lines, then just leave it ambiguous and not touch the province for the next 3 games.
Hell as it is their going to have some explaining to do about whether Skyrim remains part of the empire or not. Odds are their going to say something like "The Imperials held out for a time, bute ventually a new rebellion rose and Skyrim left the Empire" or "Skyrim suceeded for a time, but eventually the Imperials came back and reconqured the nation".
Or, they could do what many games are doing now. Import save-files.
Mass Effect did it, Dragon Age did it (even if it was a little shoddy) The Witcher did it. More and more games are doing it, I could see them having us import our saves to Elder Scrolls VI, and have certain books, and conversations only happen if you sided with the imperials and/or thalmor. Likewise have certain books and conversations and even quests only happen if you sided with the stormcloaks.
I certainly don't want another "warp in the west" either. but that's because the technological limitations of the time dind't allowed them to import variables from a save-file. Now we can, and they'd be fools to not take advantage of that.
Personally I think that their going to go with the Stormcloak side. In the begining articles Bethsda said that the majority of Skyrim wanted to leave the Empire.
Yep, they do. Can't possibly imagine why, I mean what's so bad about being publicly executed for worshiping your own gods? or being abandoned in your time of need, or being sold out to your enemies if the emperor wants his throne back. Whats' so wrong about that? ohhh wait.....................
The empire-aligned nord leaders are specially hypocrites, because people like Legate Rikke, Elisif (Jarl of Solitude) and Baelgruf (Jarl of Whiterun) secretly worship talos, despite supporting the empire (and by proxy supporting the thalmor).
Post by
Gone
Or, they could do what many games are doing now. Import save-files.
Mass Effect did it, Dragon Age did it (even if it was a little shoddy) The Witcher did it. More and more games are doing it, I could see them having us import our saves to Elder Scrolls VI, and have certain books, and conversations only happen if you sided with the imperials and/or thalmor. Likewise have certain books and conversations and even quests only happen if you sided with the stormcloaks.
I certainly don't want another "warp in the west" either. but that's because the technological limitations of the time dind't allowed them to import variables from a save-file. Now we can, and they'd be fools to not take advantage of that.
My only problem with that is that Bethesdas draw is always immersion (in addition to huge open worlds and complete freedom). Its what they do best, so while importaing save files can be a really good idea for small decisions, it could be bad for large scale things.
Skyrims independance, or the Dominion being defeated, or (to use an example from Daggerfall) Manimarco becoming a God, are huge things that would effect the entire future of Tamriel. And since its not like Bethesda can make two entirley completley different games, the only real option would be to trivialise the incidents, which nobody wants.
Nor do i think anybody wants it to be like Zelda where you have a bunch of alternate timelines that the character follows in each game, where its hard to distinguish what happens when and where.
I think its better to simply stick with a single canon lore. Let the characters make their decisions and have their moral choices, but at the end of the day the
major
landmarks remain the same regardless of what decisions the player makes.
Yep, they do. Can't possibly imagine why, I mean what's so bad about being publicly executed for worshiping your own gods? ohhh wait.....................
The empire-aligned nord leaders are specially hypocrites, because people like Legate Rikke, Elisif (Jarl of Solitude) and Baelgruf (Jarl of Whiterun) secretly worship talos, despite supporting the empire (and by proxy supporting the thalmor).
I agree with teh Stormcloaks ideals, but i reallyd ont like Ulfric personally. It becomes clear by the end hes really only out for his own glory. Hell the Empire was letting the Nords have their secret worship, when the Thalmor asked their responce was basically "Talos worship? What Talos worship?". It wasnt untill Ulfric started making a fuss that things got ugly.
That being said I still think that standing up to injustice is more important than hiding from it, so Im with Stormcloaks all the way. Still hate Ulfric though.
Post by
Rankkor
I agree with teh Stormcloaks ideals, but i reallyd ont like Ulfric personally.
We're on the same boat. The dude is a manchild at best. But he's just a man, he wont live forever, eventually a newer generation will take over the leadership, and its important that this generation isn't under the subjugation of a Dominion that would see them dead, or an Empire that sees them as little more than barganing tools.
Besides, the "Empire" can't even be called an empire anymore. Lets look at the geographical condition of Tamriel. Tamriel is made of the following nations: High Rock (Home of the Bretons) Skyrim (Home of the Nords) Hammerfell (Home of the Redguards) Cyrodiil (Home of the Imperials) Summerset Isles (Home of the High elves) Elseweyr (Home of the Khajit) Valenwood (Home of the Wood elves) Morrowind (Home of the Dark Elves) and Blackmarsh (Home of the Argonians). Orcs don't have a country to call their own, but they do have a small sub-region on High Rock called Orsinnium which is the closest thing they have to a nation. That's 9 HUGE-ASS COUNTRIES that make the empire.
And while the empire was composed of ALL of these nations, by now, almost all of them have left one way or another.
lets start off:
Summerset Isles separated from the empire, and they also conquered Valenwood and Elseweyr enslaving the entire population, and also separating these 2 nations from the empire. Right there, the empire lost 3 provinces. And they didn't do anything to help neither Valenwood nor Elseweyr.
Morrowind gets almost completely destroyed when the big volcano there erupted, destroying most of the nation, did the empire helped them? nope, they couldn't care less. To make matters worse, Blackmarsh decided the empire was a joke, separated from them, and then conquered what little of morrowind wasn't destroyed by the volcano. That's now 5 out of 9 provinces that left the empire. Only the 4 human nations remain, and yet..................
When the Dominion felt strong enough to attack the empire, they were able to kick their sorry asses. The Empire demanded (not asked, DEMANDED) troops and taxes from the few nations still loyal to it, and they gave it, they pushed back the dominion just far enough for the emperor to get his throne back, and then they just gave up. Just like that. They bowed down to the Dominion and agreed to every single demand (not request, DEMAND) that the dominion gave them.
Among this demand, the Dominion asked a significant portion of Hammerfell. Did the empire refused? nope, lets sell all the black dudes, they wont mind. (pst pst, Turns out they did)
Due to this, Hammerfell withdrew itself from the empire, and to show them what the word "cojones" really means, they ejected the thalmor from their lands SINGLEHANDEDLY (though the southern regions were permanently lost). That means there's now only 3 provinces left.
But wait........... the nobility at High Rock were busy enough backstabing each other (they don't have a unified leader, or king) and decided it wasn't worth it to be in an empire which would sold them out too eventually, so they separated too.
This means by the time the game starts, the "empire" is just Cyrodiil plus Skyrim. Lets face the music, the Empire is just a sinking ship, and you can either choose to sink with it, or swim to shore. I hate Ulfric, I think the guy is just a spoiled brat who doesn't like it when people say no. But bad as he is, the Empire is 10 times worse. They see all their provinces as barganing chips, as tools, to be used when necesary, and discarded when needed. They didn't gave a rat's ass about Morrowind, Valenwood, or Elseweyr when these 3 provinces were under attack. They only started caring when THEY were attacked at their capital, and even then, once they took their capital back, they stopped caring again, sold out a province to gain a respite, and now demand taxes, troops, and obedience from the last province who hasn't yet decided to take a hike.
I simply CAN'T and wont support the empire, if there's anything I hate more than any other thign in the world is corrupt politicians.
Ulfric, bad as he is ,at least looks out for the interests of skyrim, can't say the same for the empire.
That being said I still think that standing up to injustice is more important than hiding from it, so Im with Stormcloaks all the way. Still hate Ulfric though.
amen.
Post by
Morec0
Wait... The Empire has really suffered that much? Damn, I had no idea...
Post by
Gone
When did High Rock seperate from the Empire?
Also my main reason for supporting the Stormcloaks is just that the Empire gave up twords the end. They lost most of Cyrodill but after the battle of Red Ring the Thalmor were oblitorated. They pulled all their remaining forces home for defence. Thats when the EMpire should have gone on the attack. Yes they lost like three full legions during that single battle, and yes Cyrodill was mostly exausted as was Hammerll. But Skyrim and High Rock were still going strong, they could have potentially even won the war if they had kept fighting, or at the very least refused the Dominions demands.
Post by
Rankkor
When did High Rock seperate from the Empire?
Read it on a book in the game, but it was so long ago I can't remember which one. I could be wrong, but it looked as if it said that High Rock no longer considered it in its best interest to be on the empire.
Also my main reason for supporting the Stormcloaks is just that the Empire gave up twords the end. They lost most of Cyrodill but after the battle of Red Ring the Thalmor were oblitorated. They pulled all their remaining forces home for defence. Thats when the EMpire should have gone on the attack. Yes they lost like three full legions during that single battle, and yes Cyrodill was mostly exausted as was Hammerll. But Skyrim and High Rock were still going strong, they could have potentially even won the war if they had kept fighting, or at the very least refused the Dominions demands.
My point exactly. The Empire lost a lot of its forces taking back the capital, but so did the Thalmor, and the Thalmor were spread way more thin than the empire. If they had the guts to push back, they could had forced the elves to surrender, but the Emperor only wanted his throne back. Once he had it, everything else became irrelevant, he simply put an end to the war and accepted every single demand of the Thalmor. That after every province shed its blood to help the empire win back the capital.
That right there, is insulting every single soldier that bled and died for the empire.
Not to mention they could had avoided the entire war in the first place if only they had shown any love to the provinces. When the Aldimeri Dominion started invading Valenwood and Elseweyr the empire could had done something, ANYTHING, instead they sat on their asses, and twiddled their thumbs because they simply didn't gave a crap. Ohh look but once the enemy bolstered its forces via enslaving 2 provinces and are now on your doorstep NOW is the time to worry.
I simply can't believe how some players could possibly think the empire is in the right here, or how supporting the empire could possibly be a good idea.
Wait... The Empire has really suffered that much? Damn, I had no idea...
Yep. The Empire was the biggest force of justice and good on the land while the Septims were leading it, but with the end of the Septim Dynasty, the empire has been ruled by nothing more than one corrupt politician after another. The Current Emperor, Titus Mede II is the son of Titus Mede I, a colovian WARLORD who had an army of brigands and bandits and who sieged the white-gold tower and self-proclaimed himself emperor.
I can't really comprehend how backing up a dictator, who's supporting a genocidal group of people and enforcing their will could do ANY GOOD AT ALL to skyrim. None whatsoever.
Post by
Morec0
Wait... The Empire has really suffered that much? Damn, I had no idea...
Yep. The Empire was the biggest force of justice and good on the land while the Septims were leading it, but with the end of the Septim Dynasty, the empire has been ruled by nothing more than one corrupt politician after another. The Current Emperor, Titus Mede II is the son of Titus Mede I, a colovian WARLORD who had an army of brigands and bandits and who sieged the white-gold tower and self-proclaimed himself emperor.
I can't really comprehend how backing up a dictator, who's supporting a genocidal group of people and enforcing their will could do ANY GOOD AT ALL to skyrim. None whatsoever.
I REALLY dislike Nords. Even their name "Nords". Ehhhh, no good. Imperial, however, how awesome is that! IMPERIAL! HA HA!
Post by
Rankkor
Wait... The Empire has really suffered that much? Damn, I had no idea...
Yep. The Empire was the biggest force of justice and good on the land while the Septims were leading it, but with the end of the Septim Dynasty, the empire has been ruled by nothing more than one corrupt politician after another. The Current Emperor, Titus Mede II is the son of Titus Mede I, a colovian WARLORD who had an army of brigands and bandits and who sieged the white-gold tower and self-proclaimed himself emperor.
I can't really comprehend how backing up a dictator, who's supporting a genocidal group of people and enforcing their will could do ANY GOOD AT ALL to skyrim. None whatsoever.
I REALLY dislike Nords. Even their name "Nords". Ehhhh, no good. Imperial, however, how awesome is that! IMPERIAL! HA HA!
You're playing the wrong game then, Oblivion is more suited for you :P
Me, I like almost all the races, minus one: the breton. stuffy hoity-toity brit-wanna-be's
And as far as Nords go, they're just Orc-wanna-be's
Orcs: Best race, no matter what the game. And the Elder Scroll Orcs have plenty of reasons to be badass.
even if all the orcs are really the progeny of a group of elves that were cursed by the Daedric Prince Malacath. But hey, there you have it, the orcs primary god is a Daedra prince, one of the coolest ones IMO, and despite having no true nation to call their own, they're still a force to be reckoned with
(interesting trivia: The elder scroll games featured green orcs even before blizzard popularized green orcs with their first warcraft game)
Post by
Gone
Well the Dominion struck because it saw that the Empire was in chaos. High Chancellor Ocato was one of the few people who saw the danger and tried to act, but they assasinated him.
Also as far as I know there was never any invasion of Valenwood or Elseweyr was there? The Dominion first started when Valenwood and the Summerset Isles pulled away from the Empire and started their own Empire, renaming themselves Alinor.
They may have bullied Elseweyr into joining them, but there was never any formal invasion there either. And from what I read parts of the two Elseweyr kingdoms, Anequina and Pelletine, were friendly with the Thalmor.
Not sure exactly what happened in Elseweyr, but Im pretty sure Valenwood and Summerset started the Dominion together. The first Aldmeri Dominion from the second era started when the Camoran Dynasty was fighting over control of the throne of Valenwood, you may be thinking of that one.
I REALLY dislike Nords. Even their name "Nords". Ehhhh, no good. Imperial, however, how awesome is that! IMPERIAL! HA HA!
Well to each his own...
Milk drinker.
Post by
Rankkor
Well the Dominion struck because it saw that the Empire was in chaos. High Chancellor Ocato was one of the few people who saw the danger and tried to act, but they assasinated him.
Also as far as I know there was never any invasion of Valenwood or Elseweyr was there? The Dominion first started when Valenwood and the Summerset Isles pulled away from the Empire and started their own Empire, renaming themselves Alinor.
They may have bullied Elseweyr into joining them, but there was never any formal invasion there either. And from what I read parts of the two Elseweyr kingdoms, Anequina and Pelletine, were friendly with the Thalmor.
Not sure exactly what happened in Elseweyr, but Im pretty sure Valenwood and Summerset started the Dominion together. The first Aldmeri Dominion from the second era started when the Camoran Dynasty was fighting over control of the throne of Valenwood, you may be thinking of that one.
Humm, I could refute that, but sadly, its been so long since I last read the ingame book I wouldn't be able to quote any sources =S
I'm pretty sure both Valenwood and Elseweyr were forced or tricked into joining the dominion. They used a high degree of trickery and propaganda too, such as claiming THEY solved the oblivion crisis, rather than the champion of cyrodiil.
It still doesn't changes the fact that the Empire did nothing, they had a storm brewing in the horizon and as long as it was outside the borders of Cyrodiil they could not had cared less. Look at morrowind, first struck by natural disaster, then invaded by argonians, neither event sparked the least bit of interest on behalf of the Empire.
I REALLY dislike Nords. Even their name "Nords". Ehhhh, no good. Imperial, however, how awesome is that! IMPERIAL! HA HA!
Well to each his own...
Milk drinker.
Well said :P
I wish we had an elder scroll game that allowed us to revisit Orsinnium, I haven't seen that place since Daggerfall, and.......... well lets just say back then, stuff wasn't exactly "high detail". Sadly, since its such a small region within a province, the only way to see it is if the next Elder Scroll game takes place in High Rock again, which isn't very likely, having so many provinces left unexplored, there's little chance they will re-visit an old one.
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Ok I looked it up. We were both kind of right. The Thalmor overthrew the Valenwood goverment, but they did it with the help of Bosmer factions within Valenwood. So its kind of like the Stormcloak rebellion, part of Valenwood did join the Dominion freely, while the rest were overpowered by the combined might of the Thalmor and the Bosmer that sided with them.
The Kahjiit joined the Thalmor because they took credit for returning the two moons Masser and Secunda to the sky after they vanished (the moons being sacred to the Kahjiit). Eventually the Elsweyr Confederacy was dissolved and the two pre Imperial conquest Kahjiit kingdoms were reformed as client states of the Dominion.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Great_War_
(book)
Personally btw I think the Argonians invading Morrowind is kind of poetic justice. the racist Dunmer keeping Argonians as slaves all those years Xp
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