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So with the new poison changes, would this be a viable combat spec?

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Post by goshadstep2lose

Talent Spec
I basicaly replaced Relentless Strikes with Improved Poisons.

unlikely

but 18/51/2 may edge out 15/51/5 at certain gear levels

Ill wait for EJs word on that though

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Post by Reedyn

I wouldn't say we rely on it, but it's one of our biggest sources of energy.

Post by Coldkil

RS it's really huge, when it was only a single point talent in assasination it was mandatory, and even after the big nerf (5points to have the same effect) i have yet to see a spec without it perform on par with others (apart from muti swapping poisons, but it's going to die next patch).

Post by goshadstep2lose

no one relies on relentless strike (I hope) but the extra energy leads to extra eviscerates, I think the eviscerates would lead to more damage than the extra wound procs (at least with the gearing post ulduar)

I base this of course on absolutely nothing
Ill wait for EJs word on that though

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Post by Aazed

Actually, the math that has been done at EJ today shows that 20/51/0 will be better in any way than regular 1x/51/x.

At BiS, it is a 1700+ dps increase for Mutilate builds, and 700+ dps increase for Combat builds.

It has also been calculated that the AP cap after which IP > WP is (for an 1,5-speed OH) is 2.7k. Pretty easy to achieve.

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Post by Aazed

Link: http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t64665-incoming_rogue_changes_discussion/p26/#post1463347

Now done the maths

It looks like combat rogues will switch to instant on the mainhand at certain gear levels:

This based on 4200AP:

Instant poison = 300+(0.1*AP)= 720 @ 7ppm
Wound poison = 231+(0.04*AP)= 399 @ 20ppm

Taking a 1.5speed weapon in the offhand:

60/1.5=40 hits a minute

at a 30% proc rate on deadly:

40*0.30 = 12ppm (OH deadly)

Without the change:
Instant: 720*7=5040 damage per minute
Wound: 399*20=7980 damage per minute

With the change:
Instant: 720*(7+12)=13680 damage per minute
Wound: 399*(20+12)=12768 damage per minute

And the relevant breakpoints (accurate to within ~10AP):

With a 1.6 speed weapon in the OH the breakpoint is 3030AP (after this IP pulls ahead)
With a 1.5 speed weapon in the OH the breakpoint is 2730AP (after this IP pulls ahead)
With a 1.4 speed weapon in the OH the breakpoint is 2435AP (after this IP pulls ahead)

So with the new poison changes, would this be a viable combat spec?

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