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Post by
taurenmoo812
Since its often debated on someone else's opinion or belief on something that makes your own more solid, I was looking on one of the wow europe forum pages I post on, and found one post, aimmed at garrosh again, to see this. enjoy.
I don't get why people keep saying "Garrosh gets things done". From my experience, the most noteworthy things that he did were whining like a ballerina in Nagrand because the Greatmother is dying, and failing to protect his own clan from the invasion of the Ogres; and thinking he knows tactics better than Saurfang in Warsong Hold, Borean Tundra. Yes, he's arguing with Saurfang sr. This guy will lead hordies to death like lemmings. After that, not much is going on with him, he raises his head during ToC to comment here and there... that's it. It's Saurfang that's leading the assault on ICC. So.. what did he get done, folks ?
He's basically an emo kid with an army to play with. His sudden hardening of the testies at the Nagrand quest line doesn't make him a hero, or an adult, at least. Goblins could probably harness the electricity generated by Grom constantly spinning in his grave at 3000 rpm. Garrosh is not a worthy descendant of Grom. Grom knew respect towards elders, undeterred courage, prowess in battle, sacrfice. I've seen none of those things from Garrosh.
He's even farther away from Thrall. Did Orgrim's armor and hammer made him a hero ? No, it was his wits, wisdom, tolerance, bravery, relentlessness, his combat, diplomatic and strategic skills, his respect for the elders and the Earthmother, all that rolled into one. He fought in arena countless times and bested his enemies. He read books. He broke his chains of slavery without having an army waiting for him, with nothing but a scrap of cloth with the Frostwolf emblem on it to go on, he found his clan, he proved himself during the trials, he got to be a shaman, he impressed Grom, Drek'tar and Doomhammer (remember, these are leaders of the Old Horde), he did not rest until all the internment camps were liberated, he wiped out from the face of the earth the killer of his human "sister".. and that's just the first chapter in his life.
He doesn't burn all bridges, he doesn't throw lives away, he listens to wiser people than him, he doesn't succumb to rage, he doesn't lose control.
If you think Garrosh is "badass" and that he's a better leader for the Horde, because we're supposed to be mindless, ruthless beasts.. you're clearly clueless about what the Horde was before Sargeras tainted them, and after they got rid of the taint.
Certainly spoke to me. I take my hat of to you kensai of Jaedenar
Post by
GVHB
The intro quest of Twilight Highlands for the Horde is called
Twilight Skies
.
Post by
382219
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Three days without a reply? Hellscream's eyes are disappoint.
How about we compile a list of Garrosh's awesome sayings (or 'shoutings').
I'll start:
GET.
OFF.
MY.
SHIP!
Hope I typed it right. :S
you missed that part where he sends his fleet away to attack the alliance, them being nearly wiped out, and he leaving his own ship and your defenseless leading to be crashing and burning.
Post by
Garenzo
Three days without a reply? Hellscream's eyes are disappoint.
How about we compile a list of Garrosh's awesome sayings (or 'shoutings').
I'll start:
GET.
OFF.
MY.
SHIP!
Hope I typed it right. :S
you missed that part where he sends his fleet away to attack the alliance, them being nearly wiped out, and he leaving his own ship and your defenseless leading to be crashing and burning.
That doesn't make the quote less awesome. You are dismissed.
See what I did there?
Post by
229054
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Post by
taurenmoo812
You know I have this feeling if Saurfang was leading the attack into twilight highlands, there be a lot more ships and troups the horde would have had from the beginning.
A one off phrash doesn't make up for obvious bad leadership skillz
Post by
Adamsm
Heh and yet if Thrall or Saurfang said it, you'd be praising it. It's a cool line, doesn't matter who delivers it.
Post by
Rankkor
Heh and yet if Thrall or Saurfang said it, you'd be praising it. It's a cool line, doesn't matter who delivers it.
yep.
garrosh is FAR from being memetic material yet, after all he has people like Saurfang, Thrall and his own father Grommash to catch up to.
but some of his quotes ARE cool.
you......are.......DISSMISSED!(trows dude off the cliffs)
GET!. OFF!. MY!. SHIP!
watch your clever mouth B1TCH! (B-word for emphasys)
:P as much as I dislike garrosh, the above mentioned lines are simply awesome, regardless of who says them.
Post by
Garenzo
Fellow warriors of the horde Hear me now!
Ahead hides our foe, Worshipers of Chaos who seek to remake this world
A New world is coming friends, but it is not the world of their design.
Together we will crush the Twilights Hammer, raze their stronghold.
salt the earth,and burn the bodies. All will Tremble at our Might
Then we will stand astride this world as its masters
united in our conviction, unrivaled in strength, beholden to no one
TODAY, we will remake the world! OUR World! FOR THE HORDE!
The Twilight Highlands speech. Epic stuff right there. :-)
Post by
taurenmoo812
Fellow warriors of the horde Hear me now!
Ahead hides our foe, Worshipers of Chaos who seek to remake this world
A New world is coming friends, but it is not the world of their design.
Together we will crush the Twilights Hammer, raze their stronghold.
salt the earth,and burn the bodies. All will Tremble at our Might
Then we will stand astride this world as its masters
united in our conviction, unrivaled in strength, beholden to no one
TODAY, we will remake the world! OUR World! FOR THE HORDE!
The Twilight Highlands speech. Epic stuff right there. :-)
oh yeah, and he made a great start didn't he.
'We make this World ours!'
Sends his entire fleet to attack the alliance
His ship gets attacked and crashes and burns before it even gets to land.
Somewhat short lived much?
Seems more about mouth and less about tactic the the durp.
Post by
229054
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Regardless, its still one of the worst tactical moves seen in a long time, on par with Garrosh's method of 'how to deal with the trade routes in northrend, lets stamp out the alliance because there weak and puny'.
Seriously, the hordes gone from being lead by wise leaders and tactical commanders like Thrall, Saurfang and vol'jin, so someone with the mentality of the hulk.
Of course people like the hulk, which seems to fit the reasoning for liking Garrosh too.
Post by
Skreeran
Then we will stand astride this world as its mastersGuh...
That sounds like it could piss a few shaman/druids off. I guess that's why Drek'thar is leaving.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Then we will stand astride this world as its mastersGuh...
That sounds like it could piss a few shaman/druids off. I guess that's why Drek'thar is leaving.
Thinking of what Drek'thar taught as a reminder of the mistake the orcs once made, you'd think he would stand defient against Garrosh and what this clearly shows as his intentions, not trying to build and maintain the society, but break it down and destroy all those ahead.
Anyway, I know Drek is pissed off and wants nothing more to do with the forsaken, but has he really said he wants nothing to do with this horde too?
Post by
GVHB
Then we will stand astride this world as its mastersGuh...
That sounds like it could piss a few shaman/druids off. I guess that's why Drek'thar is leaving.
I though he was just against helping the Forsaken in their campaign to take over all the northern part of the Eastern Kingdoms but not leaving the Horde (the one who said that he was betraying the Horde was Cromush).
Post by
229054
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Post by
taurenmoo812
First answer me this. Did the horde fleet flying into twilight highlands know the situation on the ground below, because all it seemed to be was Garrosh pointing at 'THERES ALLIANCE SHIPS ATTACK THEM!' without thinking.
If he knew the situation a clever commander would regroup and gather that forces they could before fighting, not just bombard them with whoevers around. The old phrash 'unity we stand', as spliting apart actully did break there forces there and made them even weaker against deathwings.
But without anything to suggest he knew that situation theres only one way of seeing this.
Post by
Adamsm
But without anything to suggest he knew that situation theres only one way of seeing this.....So obviously, the obvious answer is that he made an asshat decision.....Sure have been saying this a lot but: Remember what happens when you assume something.....
Post by
taurenmoo812
Yes, you show up Adams.
Anyway. It seems people are less intrested in how much of a tactical failure it was, cause all they're intrested in is how Garrosh screams a one liner and that makes it ok.
Maybe they should have cut out all of Varians waffle and done the same.
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