The Garrosh Thread

Post by GVHB

Doomhammer was better than Blackhand as he wasn't a puppet of a Demon-worshiper organization who wanted to transform the rest of their race in mindless killing machine for their demonic masters.

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Post by GVHB

Heh, the original Doomhammer had a blade on top of it and lacked the Frostwolf symbol. I could totally see Doomhammer beheading Blackhand with a hammer like that.

Post by taurenmoo812

Even with the experience of war and lose, Grom was still known for being the raging orc that killed anyone he came up against.....Um, what about the humans he didn't slaughter and kill during Lord of the Clans? Or is that a blind spot..... And yes, Grom was a monster on the battlefield...so were Brox and Saurfang.

That in my mind felt like a retcon by christie, however it was a child he didn't kill well his clan was in hiding. And you can be sure he did kill when freeing the orcs from there imprisonment, but that was only due to Thralls intervention.

Point being, Grom might have had honor for his own kind, but he was still a savage and killer, his body count ranking up with draenei, humans and other races alike. To the orcs that is what they counted as a hero, but it was still the reason the orcs would never put aside there want for war and carnage, because of orcs like Groms example.

The reason I admired the orcs in wc3 and wow until cata, was because they stopped being those stupid savages like in the past (except the warsong clan) and I actully believed you could be an orc and a hero at the same time, instead of just some lame generic bad guy orc.

Post by Adamsm

Post by taurenmoo812

Point being, Grom might have had honor for his own kind, but he was still a savage and killer, his body count ranking up with draenei, humans and other races alikeAnd your also speaking about Brox, Saurfang, Rexxar and others of the Horde who have turned away from the 'dark' horde....

Wrong. See Rexxar, Saurfang and Brox were orcs who despite being in the first and second war, they overcame what they were back then. When you see Saurfangs speech to Garrosh in warsong hold, or Rexxars speech to Grom in beyond the dark portal, you can tell these were orcs who overcame, and regreted there past mistakes.
Grom however didn't show otherwise. When the horde was defeated, he wanted to go to war still. When the chance to fight came at any turn, he would take it, and unlike the other three, Grom became something worse, if you pay attention to the story in WC3.
The one thing you never saw Grom show, was regret for his past, and god sure as hell did he screw up at every turn. I'm just saying, if you or anyone is excecting Garrosh to be a Doomhammer version of Grom, then its a poor sentiment to have, given he is a Hellscream.

The problem with Grom, is because he died such a noble death, he wiped the slate clean for all the mistakes and savage actions he brought. If he was still alive, you can bet he wouldn't have become this mellow old warrior who gives wisdom instead of wanting to rip off peoples heads.

I personally think the only reason for Garrosh, is so the writers can show what would have happened, if Grom hadf survived, and a hellscream lead the horde instead of a wise leader like Thrall.

Post by Adamsm

Rexxars speech to Grom in beyond the dark portal, you can tell these were orcs who overcame, and regreted there past mistakes. Can I face palm...really? As that speech takes place just after the Second War has already collapsed, not after the Third war. Also, Rexxar seemed fine with smashing the humans and other enemies he went up against in the Founding of Durotar without angsting over it.

When the horde was defeated, he wanted to go to war still. When the chance to fight came at any turn, he would take it, and unlike the other three, Grom became something worse, if you pay attention to the story in WC3. And if he hadn't of become worse, Thrall would be nothing but a smear on the foot of Mannoroth, so 6 of one, half a dozen of another.

I personally think the only reason for Garrosh, is so the writers can show what would have happened, if Grom hadf survived, and a hellscream lead the horde instead of a wise leader like Thrall.Okay, now I facepalm...already happened; the Warsong was the largest group of the Orc groups after the 2nd War, and Grom wasn't on a raging rampage tearing everything apart; he had the skills that made him the leader of a group of psycho's like the Warsong, and kept them under control for almost 20 years.

But then again, why am I even attempting to discuss anything here?

Post by taurenmoo812

Can I face palm...really? As that speech takes place just after the Second War has already collapsed, not after the Third war. Also, Rexxar seemed fine with smashing the humans and other enemies he went up against in the Founding of Durotar without angsting over it.

Those humans were there following the orcs under the command of an orc hating despot, when the orcs were just trying to be free from it, the humans wouldn't give them even that. How would you feel if you tried to find a new home, but something from your past kept trying to ruin any chance of rebuilding your life?

And if he hadn't of become worse, Thrall would be nothing but a smear on the foot of Mannoroth, so 6 of one, half a dozen of another.

So my point rests then, Thank you!

Okay, now I facepalm...already happened; the Warsong was the largest group of the Orc groups after the 2nd War, and Grom wasn't on a raging rampage tearing everything apart; he had the skills that made him the leader of a group of psycho's like the Warsong, and kept them under control for almost 20 years.

But then again, why am I even attempting to discuss anything here?

Grom kept them under control when the warsong lost the war, and the orcs were scattered. There ws nothing for them to fight for after the war ended, and they hid away, as shown in lord of the clans. And he didn't so much as keep the warsong under control has he used his mantle to command them. Ha, what is that, your trying to now say Grom was a soft case and didn't commit to war and bloodlust when the moment came to? Well thats something new.

And yeah, your trying to rank up 40,000 posts for some hidden achievement so you post anywhere and on anything on these threads, thats the mean reason why.

Post by Adamsm

Post by taurenmoo812

Ha, what is that, your trying to now say Grom was a soft case and didn't commit to war and bloodlust when the moment came to?No, but saying, he wasn't a drooling lunatic obsessed with killing as your painting him.

Grom had honor to his own clan yes. But he wasn't some Lothar copy either. He was one of the figureheads of the old horde and the one thing Grom wanted was a reason to fight and kill. Read the end of beyond the dark portal, his own words 'what is life without battle'. He wanted to fight, even when Rexxar asked him 'why fight when there is no reason to'. That was what Grom was, not some wise old warrior like your making him out to be, one that would know when and when not to fight.

And now the same things happening with Garrosh, the same trait his father had but in a position of power greater then Grom had.

Post by Adamsm

Post by taurenmoo812

And he was one of the figureheads by being smarter, faster, stronger, and more vicious then the rest of them...but he still wasn't some insane stupid killing machine like your painting him. Grom taught Thrall just as much as Doomhammer and Drek'thar did, but as that disagrees with your world view, your pushing it aside. And you seem to be forgetting something about Rexxar; he's the outcast of his clan, as the rest of the Mok's were content with living a peaceful life, and Rex wanted to go out and bust some heads.

So your saying its not ok to draw up Groms faults, but its ok for you to draw up Rexxars faults huh?

Rexxar was drawn into the war, but he had his limits. and lets be honest, he knew when enough was enough, something we didn't see Grom show until there was nothing left to fight.

Post by Adamsm

Not a fault, merely something you seem to be glossing over; Rex was a war monger and entered willingly into the Draenor War, then got dragged into the Second War. Just saying, you seem to be focused on only one side....well that's normal, and acting like what you say about the toons, even though there is evidence otherwise that it's not cut and dried like your pretending it is.

And yes Grom has fault, just like every single character in the Warcraft universe; and they also have their virtues, but in your intense and psycho hatred of Garrosh, your demonizing everything connected to him. How long till you start bad mouthing Thrall because he choose Garrosh as his successor?

Post by taurenmoo812

HAHAHA. Your Calling REXXAR a Warmonger now? now its my turn, hold on! /Facepalm!

Oh get over this ambision to win every conversation even when your losing it Adam.

Rexxar was drawn into the war like the rest of the horde, but when it was over, there was a split, incase you didn't notice, with those of the horde still wanting for bloodlust, and those that left the horde because of it, Rexxar, the frostwolves.

I love to somehow make your point, you generalise everything now to try and win it. 'Grom had fault but so does everyone else', ha, funny stuff.

I don't demonize it, I just don't sugercoat it like your trying to do now when my comparison is why Grom was as fault, why his reasoning was the reason the orcs only wanted war, and why Garrosh is set to follow in his fathers footsteps and make the same mistakes his father did.

But hey, maybe theres more reasoning found in these people who don't bother to read the lore and just see things at face value 'omgz garrosh is badazz he's better then thrall!'

anyway, I'm off to bed, ta ta

Post by Adamsm

Rexxar was drawn into the war like the rest of the horde, but when it was over, there was a split, incase you didn't notice, with those of the horde still wanting for bloodlust, and those that left the horde because of it, Rexxar, the frostwolves. Yeah, and the Frostwolves were exiled from the Horde before the War's were over; they didn't 'choose' to leave; it was either go or die. Rexxar left the Horde, the entire Horde, after the end of the Second War; but during the Draenor War, fed up with the Mok's pacifism and his father, he joined up with the slaughter...and he didn't take the Blood.

I love to somehow make your point, you generalise everything now to try and win it. 'Grom had fault but so does everyone else', ha, funny stuff. Coming from you, I'll take it as compliment, seeing as you enjoy pulling the same stuff when your 'losing' something.

I don't demonize it, I just don't sugercoat it like your trying to do now when my comparison is why Grom was as fault, why his reasoning was the reason the orcs only wanted war, and why Garrosh is set to follow in his fathers footsteps and make the same mistakes his father did. Horse puckies; your full of it Tauren, as you have no proof at all, that Garrosh is 'following' in his father's footsteps, beyond your own twisted view on things.

But hey, maybe theres more reasoning found in these people who don't bother to read the lore and just see things at face value 'omgz garrosh is badazz he's better then thrall!'Yeah, you'd do well to remember that the next time you try to pick apart some ally's post when you know jack and squat about most of it. Of course, if that's their opinion, and far as I know, everyone is allowed one.

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Post by drame

If this doesn't make you love Garrosh, I don't know what will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6R4U6OdY64

dumb childish horde fanboyism video, that one was especially childish. i cringed at the childish horde fanboyism in it.

WTF are you talking about? The starting with complaining about alliance was not really fanboism when ya think about it.
Secondly just because its pro horde/Garrosh doesn't make it fanboism either, its a spoof / parody movie and awesome. It was hillarius (even though the singer needed a bit more 'umph' :P)

i guess because moron fanbois (you know who you are) spreads their stupid all over that means anything pro horde will be called invalid sololy because of that.

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Post by Interest

If this doesn't make you love Garrosh, I don't know what will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6R4U6OdY64

dumb childish horde fanboyism video, that one was especially childish. i cringed at the childish horde fanboyism in it.

@person linking it: ^&*! you beat me to it.

@Worglord: Irdeen made it, FYI. It's supposed to be for humor =P in my opinion.

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