Tier 14 4-piece bonus

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Post by Steamhammer

Not 100% certain, but given that hasn't got the tier 14 4p listed as modified by, id say either marks or Survial.

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Post by TheRazorsEdge

Its not listed because the tier modifies Bestial Wrath, not beast within.

I dont like the 4pc bonus for BM. Longer duration of BW usually means two things:
-i am out of focus anyway
-my serpent sting falls off

If i get it, i'll live with it, but i wont downgrade to get it.

You can cast one extra Cobra Shot during that 6 sec to fuel several Arcane Shots.

Also, the additional length allows the use of another Kill Command under each BW, which saves a decent amount of focus in addition to the DPS boost.

Assuming the last 6 sec includes KC, 3x Arcane, Cobra, you save an additional 53 focus every minute.

The 4P also makes it possible for all attacks from Lynx Rush and Dire Beast to occur during BW (except the first DB hit, which will occur during the GCD).

Having the last Lynx Rush attack occur under BW is significant because it means the bleed retains the damage bonus as it ticks to completion. If the last attack to stack it occurs outside BW, it will not.

Post by darkestrah

I am Surv hunter and happened to have 489 head (not set) and 496 chest - the BOE one, crafted by LW. I was also wondering how good is this 4 set bonus and does is it enough to put 2x483 ILVL items instead of 489+496. Femaledwarf shows a very very tiny dps increase for 489+496 - 600dps, which is less then 1%. So, I decided to go with 2x483 set items (4 set items summary) for 2 reasons - this combination has more space for upgrade and I can still sell the BOE, as I didn't equiped it before testings in simulation.
The one thing that bothers me is if the increased proc chance of BA means also an incr. proc chance for explosive trap. I should not. Does this affect the rule when to use expl. trap for best dps+LnL proc, and when to use BA.

PS: 10 day passed - nobody buyes the BOE for 19k :(

Post by Nooska

LR has BW bonus completely covered if you cast it within or right after LR - LR takes 4 seconds to apply, and the last application determines the tick value (as it gets refreshed each application) - it then ticks for that value for the duration, regardless of whether BW falls off. Same with MoC.

Post by TheRazorsEdge

@Nooska

You're right under most circumstances. I realize it only really applies twice.

Using BW+LR at the start of the fight means the second LR is delayed enough to lose the bonus with T14 4P. This is because you would wait for the bleed to be applied and tick to completion well into the 2nd BW (after Readiness).

The same happens around the 3-minute mark when their cooldowns are close to resetting in sync---but not quite close enough without the 4P.

The 3rd Lynx Rush will not sync with BW (unless delayed significantly). And subsequently, they will be resynced by Readiness. So it really is only 2 LR bleeds where it matters.

I imagine delaying BW a few seconds in the absence of 4P would address the issue, as long as it doesn't cost any BW uptime at the end of the fight.

Post by Nooska

Thats what I've been doing with both my second BW and the second one at the 5 minute mark. On many figths i've been on so far it hasn't been the best choice to simply push readiness immediately at the 5 minute mark, especially if the figth doesn't go beyond 10 minutes, it can easily be delayed till the 6 minute mark without any loss, and at at bw+lr sync up again.

Tier 14 4-piece bonus

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