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Post by
Bigchillas
To beginn with, this is me
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Genjuros&n=Giatrakos
Now I was just wondering about switching
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45703
with
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=48724
and I just want some advices on wethers its worth to get the intel and the sp bonus but lose 100spirit :S
Post by
Erethzium
Spark of Hope only provides the highest Mp5 if you're constantly casting spells, whereas the Talisman will give you a solid +2000 mana or so, which will always be there, giving you a good bonus from Hymn of Hope, Shadowfiend, Replenishment, and Kings, along with anything else that has to do wtih Max Mana.
Plus, that 600SP is sexy before casting Divine Hymn. =P
And don't worry about losing the 100 Spirit. I'm pretty sure how it works is that the more Int you have, the more mana Spirit restores per point of Spirit you have.
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309579
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Post by
OscarDivine
? Spark of Hope is by a HUGE margin the strongest regeneration trinket in the game currently for holy priests. Let's say that we completely ignore the +100 spirit (which is obscene for a holy priest already). JUST the 42 Mana reduction from all spells cast... Let's think about this.
CONSERVATIVELY, let's say that in 10 seconds, you've cast off a PoH, 2x Flash heal, a CoH, then another PoH.
42 x 5 = 210 Mana in 10 seconds conserved, or 105 MP5 equivalent.
now let's even say that one of your flash heals was a SoL proc
42 x 4 = 168 Mana in 10 seconds conserved, 84 MP5 equivalent.
Uh wow. That's pretty enormous guys.
Let's add in the PASSIVE MP5 you'll get from the 100 Spirit, NOT EVEN COUNTING the effect of Holy concentration, we're looking at a conservative 150 MP5, and it's ALL PASSIVE.
If we add in the effect of Holy Concentration, we're probably looking at something close to 175 MP5 depending on your HC uptime.
Numbers from Elitist Jerks has even put it up as high as in the mid to high 200 range.
So what does this REALLY mean? It's an amazing regeneration trinket, but it has NO other capabilities. I absolutely love my Talisman of Resurgence. I tie in the proc with Every PoH, PoM, or GHeal I cast so that I'm using it pretty much constantly. This is probably my favorite new feature of the latest Healbots. :-)
Post by
OscarDivine
Consider replacing your cloak enchant with Lightweave - Darkglow does not return a huge amount of mana anyways, whereas Lightweave has something like a 30% uptime (procs very often with a fairly short ICD).
this I will disagree with. Lightweave is amazing, I won't argue with this. However, consider your Darkglow enchant to be something of a mana potion. By the end of a fight, I'll have received back about 2500 mana to even 3500 mana, depending on the length of a fight only from Darkglow. And these numbers are even conservative.
What it really comes down to is what a holy priest really needs. My opinion is that a holy priest MUST have mana regeneration to back up huge sustained healing capacity.
Now if your mana regeneration is already through the roof, then go for it. However, if you're considering dropping the Spark of Hope (which is AMAZING regeneration/conservation) then make sure you make up for these differences elsewhere on your gear before swapping out Darkglow for Lightweave or you might find yourself crying out for Innervate a bit too often.
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Post by
nickseng
? Spark of Hope is by a HUGE margin the strongest regeneration trinket in the game currently for holy priests. Let's say that we completely ignore the +100 spirit (which is obscene for a holy priest already). JUST the 42 Mana reduction from all spells cast... Let's think about this.
CONSERVATIVELY, let's say that in 10 seconds, you've cast off a PoH, 2x Flash heal, a CoH, then another PoH.
42 x 5 = 210 Mana in 10 seconds conserved, or 105 MP5 equivalent.
now let's even say that one of your flash heals was a SoL proc
42 x 4 = 168 Mana in 10 seconds conserved, 84 MP5 equivalent.
Uh wow. That's pretty enormous guys.
Let's add in the PASSIVE MP5 you'll get from the 100 Spirit, NOT EVEN COUNTING the effect of Holy concentration, we're looking at a conservative 150 MP5, and it's ALL PASSIVE.
If we add in the effect of Holy Concentration, we're probably looking at something close to 175 MP5 depending on your HC uptime.
Numbers from Elitist Jerks has even put it up as high as in the mid to high 200 range.
So what does this REALLY mean? It's an amazing regeneration trinket, but it has NO other capabilities. I absolutely love my Talisman of Resurgence. I tie in the proc with Every PoH, PoM, or GHeal I cast so that I'm using it pretty much constantly. This is probably my favorite new feature of the latest Healbots. :-)
Not disagreeing with you, but just pointing out the flaw in your calculation above.
Spark of Hope does not reduce the cost of a spell by 42, but the
base
cost. What this means is that if you have a talent that reduces the mana cost of all spells by 10%, the reduction you'd get from SoH is also reduced by 10%, to about 38 mana.
Post by
OscarDivine
Spark of Hope does not reduce the cost of a spell by 42, but the
base
cost. What this means is that if you have a talent that reduces the mana cost of all spells by 10%, the reduction you'd get from SoH is also reduced by 10%, to about 38 mana.
Hmm, I didn't even realize this was an implication. Even still, it's far above the others for mana regeneration. I do prefer the use of the Talisman myself.
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117913
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Post by
Sinespe
Rapture doesn't restore mana on the General Vezax encounter.
Post by
OscarDivine
I believe he was equivocating the 32 mana back to the approximate 1/3 value of a proc of rapture.
Post by
Sinespe
I believe he was equivocating the 32 mana back to the approximate 1/3 value of a proc of rapture.
Spark of Hope
+ Shielding in the puddles +
1/3 Rapture
I think not.
Post by
Bigchillas
Hm ok looks like I`ll be going on with the same trinkets I use atm, but since a few more thinks came up I would like to get a bit into it.
Glyph of CoH is one i dont even think of changing as a raid healer.The bonus from PoH from glyph may not be that great but it still does some great numbers over an intesive raid fight and last but not least Renew is my third moste used spell so why wouldnt I want it to be as powerful as it can get?The only thing I`m thinking about is idd to replace glyph of poh with flash heal.As much as I try I cant see any real use for Glyph of Guardian spirit because every time I had to use it so far it never lasted for its hole duration but it saved the tank as it should do.
As for healing focus and improves healing,I pref imp healing over focus cause interrupting hasnt been a problem so far and yes tho I dont use greater heal as raid healer I use flash heal and 15%less mana is not something I want to skip so thats the specc I will try for the moment.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bVcbuZcxtcf0qih0IuAo:0dmVMz
I know difrenses are not big but I dont want to give up on my specc so easy^^
Post by
Panik8
As much as I try I cant see any real use for Glyph of Guardian spirit because every time I had to use it so far it never lasted for its hole duration but it saved the tank as it should do.
Well, using the Glyph would allow you to use it (save the tank) 3x more often. I must admit that despite having the Glyph, I don't nearly come close to using GS on CD, so I wouldn't call it mandatory, but it's still (arguably) a better 3rd pick than other Glyphs.
I dont use greater heal as raid healer I use flash heal and 15% less mana is not something I want to skip so thats the specc I will try for the moment.
...wait, if you don't use GHeal, why do you want to
save mana
on it? Or
reduce its casting time
? Just being curious...
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