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Adamsm
Lo'gosh... I'm bad with names. But you didn't see Lo'gosh letting his anger get the better of him, and storm off in a huff after a small disagreement.
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Adamsm
I am saying that good leaders do not let other people force them to do what they want for them. Very important when leading a nation.But good leaders listen to other's, instead of automatically deciding their right and everyone else is wrong.
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Adamsm
Dalaran- Rhonin does not know betrayal from Horde, nor has he lost forces from them since the second war.Your kidding right? Rhonin lost a lot of his friends during the Second War, in fact he completed a mission while his squad mates died to the Orcs, he was tortured by Orcs in Day of the Dragon, yet he has seen past his old feelings to accept the new Horde is different from the old. He was friends with Brox, and saw a brave and noble Orc sacrifice himself for everyone to keep the Legion back. Yet he doesn't run around screaming "You killed my friends! I hate you! I'll disband your Horde!", he has gotten over it and knows the New Horde isn't like the Old.
He has seen a half-orc murder his father, then try to kill his son.She didn't make a move towards Anduin, but Varian was willingly to attack her son, for no reason then it was the son of Garona. Garona only went for the king, not the prince.
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Adamsm
She didn't make a move towards Anduin, but Varian was willingly to attack her son, for no reason then it was the son of Garona.
You mean like how Med'an attacked Varian?
Garona only went for the king, not the prince.
Cho'gall's orders beg to differ.
Cho'gall sent her there to distrupt the conference, he had no idea the Prince was going to be there, so she was to kill Varian, then Thrall, then Jaina.
And Med'an only attacked Varian to save his mother, who the Forsaken Twilight Cultist member had spell locked into immobility so that she would be an easy target.
If it was your mother about to be hacked down, wouldn't you save her?
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Adamsm
This goes against what you said just above. In my hand book, Garona deserved it.She is fighting against Varian, he knocks her back, the Twilights are losing due to outside interference; aka Med'an and the Horde dealing with their Twilight attackers first, and the Forsaken Warlock casts a spell to immbolize Garona, to make her an easy kill... and Med'an sees that, and attacks Varian to protect his mother. Garona was going to die till Med'an showed up, then they changed tactics and captured him(saving him from a possible death at the hands of Varian), and Garona is captured by the Theramore Guards, which leaves her alive as Varian still wanted to strike her down there.... even though doing so would mean they would get no information at all about why they were just attacked.
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Post by
Arkham
"Tyrande: I hear the voice of Elune.
Elune: Don't declare warr
Tyrande: Oh Shuddup."Sigged!
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Patty
Take the Jaina chat to my thread. ;)
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Skreeran
Naaru- How can he ignore somthing he has never met?Considering they're the embodiment of what his people worship, they should have something of a say. Not to mention that the Draenei practically DO worship them, and he should listen to his allies.
Alextraza- Oh please, she is not beyond picking favorites, and she is not a symbol of everying thing that is justice somtimes.She's also much, much, much wiser than he is, and he should at least consider what she says.
Tirion, I'm not quite sure what to say yet. It's very clear that he doesn't think the Horde is evil, and being the leader of the organization that has done the most to battle back the Lich King, Varian should give weight to his opinion.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Since others have already corrected you on your opinion of those in lore who know the horde isn't evil, I'll go on correcting the rest.
Varian listens to others, as you have read.
What I've read is a nieve fool who only listens to himself and ignores the rest, and only casually listens to his son.
He agreed to hear the Horde out, and they enslaved him.
Check facts again about that, generalising the whole horde because of Rehgar Earthfury's actions? hardly a smart opinion.
He has seen a half-orc murder his father, then try to kill his son.
Under manipulation, something everyone else saw except for him.
He heard helplessly that the man who took care of his kingdom died because the Horde could not keep themselves in-check.
He sent his best friend against the lich king, and died, along with horde soldiers and there leader at the wrath gate, because of a betrayal. Intresting the term of betrayal is what killed his wife too, but he doesn't want to kill all humans for it now does he?
Varian sent messengers, not assassins, to Thrall
With the intention of knowing what Thrall was planning, I saw the event too and can't read it any other way.
Varian has listen to the Horde's call for friendship, and the result is the same.
There is nothing to talk about anymore.
He didn't listen though, thats the point. He is incapable of listening to anyone except himself. Even if his own son said not to go to war, he wouldn't listen.
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Skreeran
Nakresh just hopes his child can have peace, and that Varian doesn't kill or imprison her.
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