Varian Thread

Post by Skreeran

I'd like that book too, but I really don't think it's likely.

a. It would basically be Arthas: RotLK 2.0, without the Scourge (you know, Prince growing up, dealing with the wars, etc., not to mention the fact that Varian was detailed at several points in RoTLK)

b. The comics already show a lot of Varian's past

Ultimately, I just don't think there's enough original stuff left to write a book about his childhood. You know, his relationship with his father would basically be what we read about Arthas and Terenas.

The only things I think we could really learn was Varian's relationship with Garona, Varian's relationship with Tiffin, and then how the hell Prestor got power. The rest can be easily assumed or we already know.

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Post by Skreeran

I don't think it'll be Varian's brother in the movie, honestly.

And I'm almost positive that he'll (the unnamed hero, that is) be more sympathetic to the Horde than the rest of the Alliance. Otherwise it'd just be an Alliance movie... :(

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Post by Skreeran

Well, we don't know that they're related. The twins thing comes from Metzen's comment: Q: Are you introducing the same bad ass in both the movie and the comic

A: Nope, but they could be twins

I personally interpret that in their style, not necessarily literally.

And while I don't have any evidence for this (as next to nothing is known about the movie), I really, really hope that when he said that he'd be the Alliance counterpart of Thrall, he means it in attitude in addition to story/style.

We know that the movie is a) a war film and b) Alliance centered.

If the hero is entirely Alliance supportive, that just makes the Horde the bad guys because the hero is the hero. If he fights the Horde, they're pretty much the villains of the movie. And that would make me sad. :(

Post by Adamsm

Lol, so it's not Varian.... but who's to say they couldn't use Lo'gosh =P.

Post by Skreeran

If you ask me, modern Varian is more Lo'gosh than old Varian. You know, everything can be solved with the sword and all that, but yeah, don't want to get into a huge argument about that. It's just my opinion and we have a nice little friendly discussion going on about the movie at the moment... :P

Post by Rankkor

na darkton, there isn't gonna be a varian book to tell about his past before his abduction because...... there really isn't anything intresting to tell.

he was born, then he moved to lordaeron when stormwind was razed, then he was trained by the same ppl that trained arthas, then after the war was over, and he was adult enough he moved back to the city (once it was cleared and rebuilt), then his wife dies as a result of the riot caused by the stonemasons due to the crappy payment given by the house of nobles, then while he's depressed onyxia sinks her mental controll, and when anduin begins to bring joy to varian's life that mind-controll get's weaker, so ony plans to get rid of his strong-will side, and that's about it.

hardly anything worth of writing a book about.

varian's past before his abduction is really unremarkable.

to a degree arthas's own past isn't that impresive either , but he's a more important figure than varian is, after all he's the lich king, the start of this expantion, and his story is far more intresting and tragic (kinda like Darth-vader's story, exept without an emo actor to play arthas)

as for the movie, it's a known fact that movies of videogames SUCK big time, so I 99% chances are I won't watch it.

several movies of videogames have been released, to this day I havent' seen the first one that's actually good.

add to that the fact that the movie won't even have a horde protagonist, and that's pretty much the reason I am not really exited about it (heck, thrall should had been the protagonist, on wow he's been the most involved lore figure in the game, we get to interact with him on well over 10 diferent places)

Post by Adamsm

then while he's depressed onyxia sinks her mental controll, and when anduin begins to bring joy to varian's life that mind-controll get's weaker, so ony plans to get rid of his strong-will side, and that's about it.Actually, they could do something there, after all, we don't know when Prestor showed up Rankkorr. All we know is she arrived at some point before the original Peace meeting. She never had her hooks in the complete Varian, just in the weak-willed one, which was after her little game was played.

I still think there is something they could do with his life during that 18-25(depending on the time line map) years between the 2nd and 3rd war. There is a lot of information we don't know about the rebuilding, how the Nobles conflict happened and they took over, and the steady decrease of the lower zones; westfall, elywnn, redridge and Duskwood.

Post by Rankkor

sorry to correct you bro' but onyxia showed up pretty much from the start it's on the comic "Flashback(issue 13)" I think.

she had the nobles under her thumb wich was a heavy reason they paid that pathetic amount to the stonemasons and she did had her claws on the full-varian, he admited it himself on that comic book were his memory is restored he says something along the lines that the death of his wife, broke his will, and his joy, making him sink into depression, it was on this time that onyxia sank her claws on him.

however after anduin grew from more than just a baby, when anduin became a boy, varian's life began to felt joy once more, it was anduin who gave varian hope once more, and it was this hope that revived his strong will, wich of course diminished the sway onyxia had on him.

this is the reason she kidnapped him to separate him from his will.

(edit) to make clear this bro' on the flashback comic book we see a panel which shows varian's wife getting killed by the riot, she's holding anduin as a baby, and varian is next to him, and who's next to varian? katrana, wich means she has been poisoning his mind and that of the house of nobles (and maybe all of stormwind's keep) for well over 12 years or more.

she didn't just showed up and took over and imidietly had varian kidnapped, she was there from the start bro'

Post by Skreeran

Varian basically fell into totally Theodin-esque mind control after Tiffin died, if the comics are to be believed.

Post by Rankkor

since on these forums the rule is "screenshot or it never happened" I'll oblige.

exibit A

as you can see, on this image, tiffin get's wacked on the head with a rock (auch) and what she's holding in her arms is wee little anduin, who's next to varian? katrana, when did varian started to regain his will? when anduin grew up from baby to boy, wich means katrana had varian under her mind-controll for well over 10 years give or take.

she didn't just showed up and riped stormwind to shreds.

varian's abduction took place just as vainilla wow was starting, but the nightwatch and the people's militia, as well as the fall of moonbrook none of these took place imiditely at the start of wow.

all of these events happened years before, wich means ony has been doing her mind-controll thingie for a LONG time.

Post by Adamsm

I still think there is something they could do with his life during that 18-25(depending on the time line map) years between the 2nd and 3rd war. There is a lot of information we don't know about the rebuilding, how the Nobles conflict happened and they took over, and the steady decrease of the lower zones; westfall, elywnn, redridge and Duskwood.
sorry to correct you bro' but onyxia showed up pretty much from the start it's on the comic "Flashback(issue 13)" I think.

she had the nobles under her thumb wich was a heavy reason they paid that pathetic amount to the stonemasons and she did had her claws on the full-varian, he admited it himself on that comic book were his memory is restored he says something along the lines that the death of his wife, broke his will, and his joy, making him sink into depression, it was on this time that onyxia sank her claws on him.

however after anduin grew from more than just a baby, when anduin became a boy, varian's life began to felt joy once more, it was anduin who gave varian hope once more, and it was this hope that revived his strong will, wich of course diminished the sway onyxia had on him.

this is the reason she kidnapped him to separate him from his will.

(edit) to make clear this bro' on the flashback comic book we see a panel which shows varian's wife getting killed by the riot, she's holding anduin as a baby, and varian is next to him, and who's next to varian? katrana, wich means she has been poisoning his mind and that of the house of nobles (and maybe all of stormwind's keep) for well over 12 years or more.

she didn't just showed up and took over and imidietly had varian kidnapped, she was there from the start bro'

There's still stuff they could show us, even if he is under passive control, we know that Onyxia had control of the Nobles long before the death of Tiffin, after all, that's why she died in the first place. I would like to see something about that time, because it was a time of rebuilding, and the other things I mention up there. I wouldn't mind if they just did it as they did the Ashbringer, just a small mini-series in addition.

Post by Rankkor

on that we agree, onyxia controlled the house of nobles long before she controlled varian, after tifflin's death she sank her claws on varian too.

that being said, the events transpired are too small and not significant enough to warrant a book.

maybe a comic mini-series (like a 4-5 issues series) now that would work.

but then again, making ANOTHER varian comic........... they moved past him.

the first 14 issues dealt with him alone, that's why they now focus on med'an, and if rummor is correct, soon they will focus on garroosh, to explain his past on nagrand, and even shed some light on why does he hates humans and the alliance so much.

Post by Skreeran

Maybe a mini-series, but certainly not an entire book.

Post by Adamsm

the first 14 issues dealt with him alone, that's why they now focus on med'an, and if rummor is correct, soon they will focus on garroosh, to explain his past on nagrand, and even shed some light on why does he hates humans and the alliance so much.Actually it's splitting in two in January, one for the Horde and one for the Alliance.... of course not sure if that's going to be two comics in one or two actual books, but we'll have to wait and see.

Post by Rankkor

I hope it's 2 actual books, and again rumor has it that the horde version of the comics will deal with garrosh's past of wich we definitly know jack about.

all that rage has to come from somewhere, the change from the orc we met at nagrand, and the orc we see today are too drastic to go unexplained.

and as he doesn't even makes an apereance on 3.3 then the suposed "change" of garrosh taht kirasani hinted, will most likely take place on the comics, rather than in-game (wich of course suck, because we gotta bust our asses trying to find a place to downlo.......... err I mean save up money to buy the damn things)

Post by Skreeran

Well, Garrosh could make an appearance in the Horde comics, but he's certainly not the main character:

This should be great news for all comic fans, particularly Horde players, who haven't had representation in Wildstorm's take on the game world. World of Warcraft: Horde follows the story of an orc hunter named Malgar and his tauren ally -- presumably an enhancement Shaman from the cover art -- Ironhoof, which probably means they'll fight over the same loot. Written by Doug Wagner and drawn by Batgirl artist Pop Mahn, the story focuses on "the harsher side of Kalimdor". We presume that means Barrens chat.http://www.wow.com/2009/10/22/world-of-warcraft-comic-splits-into-horde-and-alliance/

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Post by Patty

Lol, so it's not Varian.... but who's to say they couldn't use Lo'gosh =P.

There's a she wolf in the closet.....

Now, if it was Varina, rawr!

If Varian has a long lost twin brother bastard child I will cry. Me'dan was bad enough. I couldn't cope with any more Sues.

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