Boo hoo hooo Why does Sylvanas have to be such a meanie? T_T She hurt Saufangs feelings telling him his wish to die in battle is nonsense. Which it is.I love how some of these whinny crybabies think Sylvanas is selfish despite its under her orders to evacuate non combatants out of Undercity before she uses the plague. Or the facts she says "Maybe you don't care if your people die so long as it is honorable, but to me, this Horde is worth saving" Behold everyone on how selfish Sylvanas is acting. Garrosh 2.0 my &#^@ing ass.
Yeah, yeah. Once again Blizzard has made Horde as bad guys. So are we gonna lose more of our leaders? Both Sylvanas and Saurfang? So cool...P.S Why did someone (I guess it was Anduin) from the Alliance said that Lordaeron is their if the true citizens of it are the Forsaken?
I understand her motive, but even that can't justify such decision imo... really disappointed how Blizzard is handling this, there were so many options how to make it similar to Broken shore, with 2 points of view... but this? I don't like that...But I'm still looking forward to see what's before this decision, maybe the tension between the factions was too big to pretend there wont be war, making preemptive strike with the pure Horde Kalimdor vision a little bit more understandable, because when it's already too late for peace, you must try to have upper hand at least... and with the fact some more story in Silithus is waiting and new BG is ready, that kind of makes sense, depends how this story will go and how it will portrait each faction...
Oh, It's Garrosh 2.0. What an interesting and original plot!
I’m relieved to see some more sensible people posting in here! It’s dissapointing to see so many soft and whiny players. The whole narrative behind the New Horde (Thrall’s Horde starting in WC3) have been the outcasts and vulnerable races fighting for survival to preserve their cultures. They don’t always agree with each other’s perspective, but they have understood that their only chance has been to work together and to FIGHT. The Alliance will never fully take them in. That is why taking Kalimdor as their own is. It is full of resources and room to expand. The only adjacent opposition are the Night Elves. Once again, WARcraft. This is what wars are about: protecting, preserving and expanding your people, culture and traditions. This seems so lost on today’s modern SJW themes. People that are privileged enough to grow up in areas where this is possible seem so naive to basic aspects of existence and history.
People have the naive point of view that being an aggressor automatically makes that people/faction evil. Fact of the matter is it really wasn't that long ago when humans did the same thing to ensure the survival of their people. Land, resources, all of it limited and requiring brutal warfare to keep. You don't sit in your throne room twiddling your thumbs while the last stronghold of a people that despise yours sits on your doorstep. You crush it.
Finally! Time to go back to the Horde. No more being the defeated dog who survives because the Alliance lets them survive since Siege of Orgrimmar. Finally a Warchief that understands the Horde is unsustainable holed up in the barren landscapes the Alliance deigns to let them keep, not even able to get lumber for homes to live in without Tyrande butting in.
I for one hope they do make the Horde evil. I just want to play the villains, not this morally grey area.
I read a fair amount of feedback and comments in regards to things like this, not just because I am passionate about the Warcraft story, but because it also helps me to be a better writer - by being able to better consider other people's point of view, and by contemplating different thoughts and ideas that I hadn't thought of before. So in the process of doing this - I have observed some mildly interesting patterns and behaviors that occasionally warrant mentioning it.Perhaps one thing to note - is that I have seen a great amount of Horde players whom seem to value the ideals of the Alliance - moreso than they do of the Horde. Perhaps these folks joined the Horde during the Cataclysm when Green Jesus Sermons were in full swing?Understandably, it's just not as interesting to play as a Human that vanquishes his/her foes, as opposed to playing an Orc or Undead that vanquishes his/her foes. Many people just want something different than you see in everyday life, or even different from what you see in more generic fantasy themes. The Horde is quite simply - just far and away more appealing to the mainstream audience - than the Alliance probably ever will be. As a result, there are a lot of Horde players that simply don't like the new stories, because it doesn't fit with the idea of their own personal character and all that Green Jesus has taught them.I don't know what the solution to this problem is. I just hope Blizzard sticks to the more original ideas for the Horde, and the Alliance. Perhaps if there are enough Horde players that absolutely must be the definition of all that is wholesome and good - maybe then Blizzard could implement a new faction where only good guys are allowed in. It would be for those players that don't want to be associated with the Undead or anything else that may be viewed as anything but wholesome, and good. It would be the kind of faction that you would be happy to introduce to your parents, and maybe even to grandma too.
In our point of view, the Alliance is the pure evil. No more than a group of fanatical, blade wielding , zelots who belive blindly in the light and want to purge everything what not share their view about the world. ^^
Thrall's Horde was never the "good guys" despite Thrall's nickname. They were the passive guys. He and Jaina's peace was never sustainable because the Horde did not have the resources to live - as evidenced by the fact that they remain constantly in conflict with Ashenvale for simple lumber. The proof is in the pudding, where are both of them now? Thrall gave the Horde to Garrosh and cheated in a Mak'gora, losing his powers. Jaina almost committed genocide, that's how peaceful she is now. Even they couldn't sustain peace. Diplomacy doesn't work in the World of WarCraft. Even Velen dropped his pacifism now, and guess what? It was the right choice.The tentative peace we had since Cataclysm was based on nothing but Varian threatening he would end Vol'jin if he stepped out of line, and Vol'jin not having the resources left to challenge that. They left the Horde starving in the desert and retreated to their furtile farmlands. It doesn't even matter that Sylvanas is Warchief - Azerite changed the terms of a forced armistice. If Vol'jin had survived, this war would still have happened and his first target would have been to secure his lands from the Sentinel force in Teldrassil.
Summary: Horde and alliance always work together unless there are no enemies around to fight for saving Azeroth.No threat for Azeroth lets fight each other.Azeroth leaders have same goal like any other enemies,save Azeroth for theirselves.