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Blizzard on Azerite Imbalance, Mythic+ Azerite Situation, and Prot Warriors

posted 2018/09/21 at 5:21 PM by perculia

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Comment by Kendrubbin That's is why we're hesitant to do something like add a guaranteed piece of Azerite Armor to the weekly chest - it'd be too lucrative.\r
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Not really. It'd still need your desired traits, it'd still need to be the correct slot, and it'd need to be an ilvl jump. Even once a week is something better than what we have now. Comment by Gressie We know you dont like this new system so we will want to improve it but we wont for now but we might and we dont know how to balance but we might. thats what I got from this classic blizzard Comment by dragon13239 I just want to be able to get at least 355 azerite gear as drops from +10s. It is not the best gear but it is something you can grind for and get the traits that you want. Comment by matty626 only thing id say about the azerite situation is that, its abit frustrating how we got to farm extra pieces of gear for other specs when one piece of armour may contain a decent trait that we like and want to use, but also has another on same piece... thats my only criticism. Comment by klynix When will the class balance notes come? Comment by geekmandem Man I would not want to be a Blizzard blue poster. Feedback is appreciated, I know my guild is prepping for next raid tier with a warrior in mind (Less to do with us hoping they are made OP and more the fact we are a small guild and our tank loves prot) - Happy with the talk of Azerite armour in general here. Comment by ZulGazarg I play 30 different lvl 110+ Darkspear toons (I like the specs to each be their own character, so for mages I have a fire, frost and arcane for example) and since I play everything except Demon Hunter and Paladin (unless Zandalari get demoniacs and prelates), I can say I have 100% enjoyed them all. Everything feels much more streamlined and less complicated (in a good way) to me from when I leveled them all in Legion. I do not do raids or dungeons though unless trollish things drop in them, so I cannot attest to what the "hardcore" raiders and such feel.\r
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I know casuals like myself are the majority of players, and those that do all the mythic\/arenas\/rated BG stuff are further on the two ends of the number line whereas my playstyle is closer to the middle. But, I am really loving the classes. If they improve them, all the better, but my Elemental Shaman can take on four or more mobs while leveling and walk away with full health. I have seen no class broken or unplayable, and without the artifact weapon stuff (something I disliked greatly and complicated all my leveling\/classes), I am enjoying leveling in BfA WAY more than Legion. Everyone has their opinions, but I am loving BfA and my classes, personally. Comment by Vlyse only thing id say about the azerite situation is that, its abit frustrating how we got to farm extra pieces of gear for other specs when one piece of armour may contain a decent trait that we like and want to use, but also has another on same piece... thats my only criticism.\r
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As if "choice" is a bad thing in an RPG..\r
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Sigh. Comment by Gyrospark That's is why we're hesitant to do something like add a guaranteed piece of Azerite Armor to the weekly chest - it'd be too lucrative.\r
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Not really. It'd still need your desired traits, it'd still need to be the correct slot, and it'd need to be an ilvl jump. Even once a week is something better than what we have now.\r
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You arent guaranteed an azerite piece from raiding, I dont see why you should be guaranteed an azerite piece from the weekly chest. Comment by frostyfire14 Here's an idea for Azerite gear in end-of-dungeon chests.\r
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Using Uldir as an example:\r
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Mythic +4-9 can contain 355 Azerite Armor (Normal Uldir equivalent) \r
Mythic +10 or higher can contain 370 Azerite Armor (Heroic Uldir equivalent) \r
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While Mythic quality Azerite Armor can ONLY be obtained from the weekly M+ cache, or raiding. \r
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(following their philosophy via their post)\r
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Also, to avoid doing high keys and looting Azerite Armor from the end chest (which is lower item level using this model) Azerite Armor can just be a BONUS for the chest. Like, normal loot + 1 random person gets an Azerite piece. So you're not effectively lowering the item level average from end of dungeon chests, but increasing it as 1 Azerite Armor piece can drop. Effectively turning M+ into another way to bolster character progression to enter raids (and try harder difficulties) Comment by dokeefe1986 Typical. Beta for azeroth. They didn't know what to do with prot warriors in the actual beta either. They constantly changed their toolkit and ended up basically giving up and changing nothing. Par for the course lately. Unfinished xpac pushed on us. Comment by sosharp always the same with new patches and expansions.\r
be it now azerite, or arifact weapon.\r
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Why they don't just give a bigger talent tree with more options, and just normal weapons and normal gear?\r
Don't recalling Classic-Woltk, but I think to just have more things to choose would be better than this talent-based-on-some-gear-piece stuff. Comment by Palablues always the same with new patches and expansions.\r
be it now azerite, or arifact weapon.\r
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Why they don't just give a bigger talent tree with more options, and just normal weapons and normal gear?\r
Don't recalling Classic-Woltk, but I think to just have more things to choose would be better than this talent-based-on-some-gear-piece stuff.\r
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Blimey mate, there was definite class imbalance from Classic to BC, with still some considerable (but less) imbalance in WOTLK. Comment by Venestalker Then in this case, you should also be looking into the fact many MM hunters are forced to go Beast master, Marksmen virtually does not excel at what it is meant to, and ontop of that has an AoE cap in the already not the best Singletarget setup. I understand MM was supposed to be the long ranged single target sniper hunter, but its dps out put does not reflect this at all. Considering the Utility bm gives over Marksmen, any and all dps increase to the single target that MM has is virtually redundant. Make MM competitive again, seriously. it shouldn't be a hard fix for the moment and we seriously need it. Comment by Jimbrooks Talk about jumping in the deep end with no ability to keep afloat with azerite traits. Half of them should be pruned and keep only utility-based ones and then balance the classes imo. This is like the Legiondary issue all over again... Comment by Valarienn we want to solve the issue of players feeling like their class is undesired, but we also want to avoid the opposite issue where everyone feels like they need to reroll to whatever the new hotness is every few weeks

I call bull manure on this one. People are ALWAYS chasing the FotW or FotM or the flipping FotDAY. Nerf buff nerf buff nerf buff in straight percentages with no nuance whatsoever. BM is getting slapped after an entire crap expansion in Legion and for no good reason and NO help for MM that needs it desperately. They'll keep nerfing BM and ignoring MM so that Blizzard can force their golden child, Survival, into every raid \/ dungeon \/ PvP encounter so they can pat themselves on the back at what best good boys they are. FFS -- worst tuning, worst "balance" worst everything.

Ugh. Comment by Genya049 only thing id say about the azerite situation is that, its abit frustrating how we got to farm extra pieces of gear for other specs when one piece of armour may contain a decent trait that we like and want to use, but also has another on same piece... thats my only criticism.\r
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As if "choice" is a bad thing in an RPG..\r
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Sigh.\r
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The issue here is that its not really a "choice", its an unneeded trip to the azerite reforger whenever we want to swap specs. The only way i've gotten around this issue is by having the first 20+ slots in our bags filled with all the gear I need to swap specs which is just cumbersome. Comment by baldie80 only thing id say about the azerite situation is that, its abit frustrating how we got to farm extra pieces of gear for other specs when one piece of armour may contain a decent trait that we like and want to use, but also has another on same piece... thats my only criticism.\r
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If only there were a system in this game where you could take a less desired stat for your spec from the gear you're using and change it into a more desired stat. That way you could ditch a useless trait for you and import something that's actually beneficial.\r
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Oh wait, we had such a system - Reforging - and it was removed because players hated it and found it inconvenient. How interesting that the game developers found a way to make the concept almost appealing again! And of course I know you can already swap Traits in Azerite gear for a price, but having to visit an NPC to do that is exactly why Reforging was so frustrating in the first place. Comment by Stv01 Frankly, if they just scrapped Azerite Armor altogether I would barely notice in my rotation and would be much happier when gearing. Azerite is just a nightmare to get right. They wanted to eliminate simming and the need to go to outside sources to figure out what is best and they created a system that makes simming more important than ever in the history in WoW... I mean... how do you do that? How do you screw your own stated goal so much that it is worse than ever. Comment by Madja That's is why we're hesitant to do something like add a guaranteed piece of Azerite Armor to the weekly chest - it'd be too lucrative.

Not really. It'd still need your desired traits, it'd still need to be the correct slot, and it'd need to be an ilvl jump. Even once a week is something better than what we have now.

You arent guaranteed an azerite piece from raiding, I dont see why you should be guaranteed an azerite piece from the weekly chest.

Because you can't get Azerite Armour from Mythic+, so the weekly chest is your only chance at one. Except the pool of potential loot from the chest is immense and you need 3 different slots filled. So getting a small chance at a piece once a week makes it extremely difficult to fully gear up. In raids you have several bosses that can drop a piece, the pool of items is smaller and the fact that they're drops means that people could trade them to you.
I'm an exclusive Mythic+ runner (I just don't find raiding enjoyable) and most of my gear is currently at a pretty good level while my Azerite Armour is stuck at 340 since I have no real way of getting better ones.

Wouldn't the solution simply be to have the raiding armour have something that gets more powerful when in the raid (just like PvP armour). That way raiders wouldn't be trying to gear up through Mythic+ as the gear simply wouldn't be that good for them, while the people who prefer Mythic+ can gear up so they can continue their pushing. (To be honest I thought that was already a thing with the Reorigination Array)
Let's be honest, if you're not pushing Mythic raids or super high keys then raids and Mythic+ are fairly equal in difficulty, so why should one be more rewarding than the other.

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