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Comment by Alisdair

This talent can be somewhat useful when soloing. But is overall not that useful since you have to actually kill the target with your Drain Soul. There's much better ways to use your talent points.

Comment by 8888_

One problem with the kill part…

Should you be in a raid, there is a very minimal chance that you will receive the mana back because there are 39 other people that can get the killing blow.

Comment by 34570

I'm one of the few locks who really likes this talent.

I'm a ruin/affliction lock, and it isn't just great for soloing it's also great for group stuff

how many times hav eyou said to yourself "hmmm, maybe i shouldn't cast a shadow bolt on this Mob, he's almost dead, my dots and the warrior/ whoever else will finish him...or hsould i he has x life..hmmm"

that situation is now instead an OPPORTUNITY
let a shadow bolt fly at that sucker, knowing it'll good and kill him, and slap your purple beam on him while it's in flight. Suddenly you're awarded enough mana to cast 3 more shadow bolts.

. when i run Underbog, I proc this thing 2-3 times per pull.

that's almost 3600 mana, that i get MID fight at no expense of life or pet mana

and it isn't just about the raw amount of mana you get, it's about ....the change in your play style it opens up when you gain mana by throwing shadowbolts, not lose it.

if you're going to use this you have to use it right, and i'm not sure how well it would work if you don't have some destro points, to make your shadow bolts fast and heavy, but if you know what you're doing this is a very cool talent.

not to mention the 10% threat reduce on afflic

Comment by Thottbot

Say in a pvp battle u know u got guy dead.. alot of times u exhust ure mana.. this would work well with my current build]

SL 20/21/0

I had detruct tree.. IMO 2 instant shots arent worth wearing paper armor.. Althou there ARE was to avoid being hit. Destruct tree is definatly crzy dmg.. but SL with shadow gear dishes out same or more dmg (consistant) but u loose instant dmg controll

Comment by Kanariya

Two important notes about this talent in regards to leveling: First, it requires you to land the killing blow with Drain Soul to proc. It will not proc if your pet or anyone else lands the killing blow. If you're in a group, you'll rarely ever see this talent proc.

Second, the mana regen is based off of your Spirit. If you have a low amount of Spirit (esp if you've spec'd into Demonic Embrace), you won't get much mana back at all.

Proc spell: Soul Siphon

Comment by vicioushunter

OK so what is the thought process on this one? If you are wanding at the end of a mob health you might be close to (or have started) your 5 second regen timer. If you cast a 55 mana drain soul, you stop the ticks and restart that timer at 50% until 5 seconds after your drain soul to start getting a bonus totaling 200% mana regen. If your pet or your group gets the killing blow you don't get any regen boost (add a macro to call pet back for solo).

Warlocks get 8 + (spirit / 4) mana per tick (2sec). Say you get 48 spirit around level 20. If you do not cast a spell when the monster dies and you start fighting a new monster after finishing casting a spell in 14 seconds you will have regened 140 mana. In the same example, if you cast drain soul 3 seconds before the monster dies you will lose 55 mana. You will regenerate 10 mana at 50% regeneration over 2 seconds. You will regenerate 160 mana at 100% increased regeneration over 8 seconds. You will regenerate a further 40 mana at regular rate. Total gained 210 mana minus 55 spent on drain soul gives net profit of 155 mana if cast 3 seconds before monster dies. If drain soul is cast at exactly the moment the monster dies the numbers are -55 + 25 + 100 + 40 = 110 mana. Compare to 140 mana naturally and you have two wasted talent points IMO. If you time it exactly 5 seconds from when the monster dies and have enough dots you might get an extra shadow bolt or corruption, but since wands are so good if you keep them up to date the talents are better else where.

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Improved Drain Soul

Improved Drain Soul

Talent

Gives you a 100% chance to get a 100% increase to your Mana regeneration for 10 sec if the target is killed by you while you drain its soul. In addition your Mana may continue to regenerate while casting at 50% of normal.

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Physical

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Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

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n/a

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0 seconds

Effect

Apply Aura: Modifies Proc Chance (18)
Value: 100
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Drain Soul		Drain Soul		Drain Soul
	Drain Soul

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Warlock DPS Talents & Builds Guide – WoW Classic Season of Mastery Warlock Leveling Guide & Best Leveling Talents 1-60 - WoW Classic

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