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Comment by Thottbot

it would work great but the downside is that the mob gets immune to stun after 3-4 hits so its pretty useless.

Comment by Thottbot

Like Bobucles2 said, it only works 5 times a minute

Comment by Thottbot

I believe that the +67% chance to stun increases the base chance to stun by 67% of its original value. If the base chance to stun is 10% without the talent, it will be 16.7% with the talent.

Comment by Thottbot

I've been looking into what other players had to say about the mechanics and the effects of deminsihing returns (resuting in the target becoming immune after three hits and reducing the stun time to 50% and then 25%), and yeah, they suck, but supposedly after a 15 sec countdown from the first stun, the target is no longer immune, and is reset to 50% effectiveness (u have to wait a full minute to regain full use of the stun). As for the proc rate, it is also proc per minute, so the "proc per swing" ratio for SoJ increases if u use a slower weapon, just like SoC.

Comment by Thottbot

The stun is great but what about fleeing?

I use this all the time to stop Mobs from
running, but does this do anything in PvP?

Comment by Thottbot

From the new 1.9 patch
"The stun effect's duration no longer diminishes or is diminished by controlled stun abilities and spells (e.g. Cheap Shot, Hammer of Justice, Charge, etc).
So no more immune. This should help vs spellcasters :)

Comment by Thottbot

as far as i been in instances (lvl 40 atm :P..) it is best party saver spell.. just judge it on mob and he will not flee! it helps like hell in SM where is not much space, lots of mobs.

Comment by Thottbot

what does seal of justice's judgement do in pvp?

Comment by Thottbot

I don't see the talent that makes the stun % higher....Where is it?

Comment by Thottbot

make a macro where seal command and judgement is instantly cast together (in that order)

then cast seal of justice. when it procs, quickly cast the macro.

works like a charm

Comment by Thottbot

Are you people bat#$%^ crazy or just misinformed? Since when have paladins been able to use daggers, and since when have paladins been able to duel wield? Im sure it WOULD be cool on a rogue, but this is a pally skill, so why are you talking about these things>

Comment by Thottbot

So if you use Judgement when you use this seal, does this mean that can't move?

Comment by Thottbot

The judgement stops the mob from fleeing, or as a few have said make them immune to fear (some mobs flee when low on hp coz they are scared =P)....has nothing to do with restricting movement, the mob just keeps fighting til its dead.

Comment by Thottbot

this is a way for pallidans to catch up to others

Comment by Thottbot

from what I understand, the pvp effect only happens at rank 2, correct me if I'm wrong

Comment by Thottbot

The limit to 100% speed effect is only at rank 2. In pvp at rank 1, all it will do is make that person own your teams locks if he survives.

Comment by KingMurloc

Seal of Justice has 5 PPM (Procs Per Minute).
To calculate the odds of the Justice Stun for each event divide your base melee speed by 12.
It does not seem to have an internal cooldown, so it is possible to overlap the stuns.
It can proc from spells and melee abilities or (melee) special effects such as Crusader Strike and Vindication.
Seal of Justice stun is on separate Diminishing Return category (random stuns). Each time after the stun expire server start a timer of 15-20 seconds; during which each further application of the stuns from the same category would be 50% shorter than a previous one; completely immune after the 3rd one.
Extremely useful in PvP. Even if the seal has 50% less duration than warrior Mace stun, it has multiple times it's chance to proc. Can use it to shut down the casters. Together with 2-handed weapon (3.6+) AND Vindication (3PPM) you will enjoy up to 42.6%+ net chance to stun per hit/abillity and can easily follow it with a full duration Hammer of Justice.
In Classic and tBC classic official servers it is possible to perform a twist with this seal together with Seal of Command to have both seal effects for the same short (0.5 seconds) time. It will allow the seal either be used it in tandem with melee swing to increase the odds of the stun and the damage involved to maybe completely stunlock your oppenned with follow-up actions OR together with Judgement of Command (Vindication proc) which will grant you pretty small chance to stun your target within Judgement range which is unreliable but possible.

Comment by Etreum

I've learned to love this vs humanoids (Murlocs, etc.)

Seal of judgement, I keep as long as possible for the stuns (Works great vs casters) and when they are running low on health, judge, so they won't run away.

Definitely worth the relative loss of dps.

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Seal of Justice

Seal of Justice
13% of base mana
Instant

Fills the Paladin with the spirit of justice for 30 sec, giving each melee attack a chance to stun for 2 sec. Only one Seal can be active on the Paladin at any one time.

Unleashing this Seal's energy will judge an enemy for 10 sec, preventing them from fleeing. Your melee strikes will refresh the spell's duration. Only one Judgement per Paladin can be active at any one time.

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Seal of Justice	Magic

Melee attacks have a chance to stun for 2 sec.
30 seconds remaining

Spell Details

Duration

30 seconds

School

Holy

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

Magic

GCD category

Normal

Cost

13% of base mana

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

1.5 seconds

Aura proc chance

100%

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Proc Trigger Spell
PVP Multiplier: 1

	Stun

Effect #3

Apply Aura: Dummy
Value: 20184
PVP Multiplier: 1
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Flags

Cannot be used while shapeshifted
Do Not Sheath

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Classic WoW Paladin Warhorse & Charger Guide Holy Paladin PvP Guide Retribution Paladin PvP Guide

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